DBWI: Today is the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act in the CSA

50 years ago today on April 15, 1963, President Lyndon B. Johnson of the Confederate States of America signed the Civil Rights Act of 1963 into law. This ended institutional segregation against the black and Hispanic populations. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended barriers to voting including poll taxes.

While the African-Confederate population is celebrating 50 years of racial equality, we in the USA are at the last day of the tax season.

Had segregation not ended 50 years ago, what would have happened to the state of race relations in the CSA? And would it have been possible for a civil rights act to pass later than 1963?
 
How do I put this...
even as a first post for me, still... a non-Slave CSA is ASB, and a Civil Rights CSA (happening at the same time as OTL) is just... impossible. They fought the war for the sake of the rights of "property" owning slave states.... racism subsided somewhat in the immediate aftermath of both the Revolution and the CW (especially civil war) but the nadir/plunge came after and the repercussions are still being felt.
 
How do I put this...
even as a first post for me, still... a non-Slave CSA is ASB, and a Civil Rights CSA (happening at the same time as OTL) is just... impossible. They fought the war for the sake of the rights of "property" owning slave states.... racism subsided somewhat in the immediate aftermath of both the Revolution and the CW (especially civil war) but the nadir/plunge came after and the repercussions are still being felt.

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to build on what you're saying sharing cropping, basically debt slavery held the vast majority of blacks till mechanization in the 1930s and wasn't fully dead till the 1950s, likewise I personally think thats pretty good evidence that CSA slavery would last at lest till the 1930s and maybe out till the 1950s, and as long as blacks are majorities in a number of states I don't see civil rights or citizenship
 
OOC: With a surviving CSA, unless you have some sort of radical movement that has it split back off from America, the POD would have to be before 1900. Also, I don't see the CSA ever passing a civil rights act, at least not before apartheid ended in OTL South Africa.
 
Also this is NOT a DBWI as the CSA did not exist 50 years ago. For it to be a DBWI there must have been a Civil Rights Act in a CSA 50 years ago. Also those two are right it is an ASB scenario. If there were a CSA and it survived it might have started to free slaves around 1920 if we are lucky with peonage ending about 1970 or so, maybe. You might see a real Civil Rights movement starting about now, with luck.
 
Yeah, it's a TBWI, but I don't think it really matters. It is ASB, which does matter.

(maybe it's the 5th anniversary?)
 
Had segregation not ended 50 years ago, what would have happened to the state of race relations in the CSA? And would it have been possible for a civil rights act to pass later than 1963?

Its likely that race relations within these Confederate States would mirror that of the United States that continued to practice segregation, tho it was fallin by the wayside, until the early 1970s. Johnson's support for the Civil Rights Act was fairly symbolic and it was forced upon him. The majority of the states had, between 1937-1960 enacted similar acts. The Constitutional Convention of 1952 is regarded by many historians, both within and without the Confederacy, as the great accomplishment of the preceeding Arthur Hood and Benjamin O. Davis administrations.

Johnson attempted to derail the Confederate Government's passage of the Civil Rights Act but the Democrats simply didn't have control of Congress which was dominated by the Hood's old Radical Party.

From 1920 to 1963 race relations with the Confederated states varied from state to state. The heavily industrialized state of Alabama, a Radical Party stronghold since the 1890s, saw free blacks fully participating in local and state elections by 1915 and owning property. Virginia was very similar and so was Tennesse. The Carolinas, Georgia and Florida held out until the mid-1930s. The abolition of slavery, first within several individual states and finally at the Constitutional Convention of 1922 and then formally by the Abolition Act of 1924, demonstrates that race relations was a continueally evolving matter within and between the states.
 

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Here's something that I don't think is explored enough: Revolution in a later CSA.
What if you have the Confederacy win the USCW, thoroughly establish itself as an independent republic, and then have it go through a socialist/populist revolution in which the small farmers revolt against the aging plantation gentry. You could have Lee (who, IIRC, was at least sorta-kinda against the idea of slavery) become president of the CSA after Davis, and the rebels point to him as inspiration.
 
You know I could see a CSA President ending slavery in 1963, but a civil rights bill, not to mention the unlikelihood of Johnson being the guy to do it is a bit over the top.
 
Here's something that I don't think is explored enough: Revolution in a later CSA.
What if you have the Confederacy win the USCW, thoroughly establish itself as an independent republic, and then have it go through a socialist/populist revolution in which the small farmers revolt against the aging plantation gentry. You could have Lee (who, IIRC, was at least sorta-kinda against the idea of slavery) become president of the CSA after Davis, and the rebels point to him as inspiration.

I don't think that would work. The worst part is using the cliche of Lee becoming president. I would consider that the small farmers of the CSA were never in the position to even start going thru a 'socialist/populist revolution'.
 
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