DBWI: Today is Resistence Day

To-day is of course Resistence Day commemorating the guerrillas who fought Soviet invaders during World War 3 some twenty-five years ago. Here in Colorado we're commemorating the Wolverines-that legendary teenager resistance group. Most of them died but there are still a few survivors.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
Everyday is Resistance Day. There are those still living under the authoritarian boot in China, who haven't gotten over the 600 million effect yet, their demographics are really messed up. India going territory-crazy on them didn't help any either.
 
With the east and western seaboards of the US still uninhabitable, Europe still mostly a shambles, I question the effect these guerillas made on anything. It's gonna be a long time before the world fully recovers.
 

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OOC: Red Dawn isn't that ASB, it leaves things vague for that very reason. Can't call it out on being implausible if you can't see the entire equation...;)

OOC: Red dawn IS that ASB.

IC: The wolverines were nowhere near as much help as Wembley and the fraggles. All those years of confusing lighthouse dogs were excellent training for slitting the throats of Kazakh paratroopers.
 
OOC: Red Dawn is totally ASB, even with the vagueness. First off the Soviet Union never really wanted to control the entirety of the continental US, hell the US was the perfect propaganda source, without an outside threat to concentrate on the Soviet people would have started to realize that their own government was the source of all their problems. The Red Army was never big enough to get the kind of large scale deployment seen in the movie, I mean seriously they were literally as far inland as colorado and had it pretty much all secured within like a month of the opening phases of the war? No effing way.
 
OOC: Red Dawn is totally ASB, even with the vagueness. First off the Soviet Union never really wanted to control the entirety of the continental US, hell the US was the perfect propaganda source, without an outside threat to concentrate on the Soviet people would have started to realize that their own government was the source of all their problems. The Red Army was never big enough to get the kind of large scale deployment seen in the movie, I mean seriously they were literally as far inland as colorado and had it pretty much all secured within like a month of the opening phases of the war? No effing way.

OOC: So, who really cares if it is ASB? Let's just continue the thread . . .

IC: I remember getting evacuated in one of the last flights from Dover AFB, we (about two hundred civilians) were originally headed for Denver, but something happened to the plane's electronics. We wound up in southern Missouri, emergency landing, more of a controlled crash, really, on a 4 lane highway & we eventually met up with some resistance fighters in the Ozarks. We stayed there a while, but split up and most went northwest. I stayed with the Ozark Mountain Boys (and girls - almost 60% were female) so we stayed alive until the Liberation.

Yes, let's remember the Resistance, wherever they fought and died. We owe them.

Bobindelaware
 
It's been twenty-five years. Has enough time passed, that we can commemorate our liberation by offering release and amnesty to our deluded countrymen who collaborated with the enemy during the occupation? Are we ready for that kind of forgiveness? Or is a quarter-century not long enough?
Do some of the collaborators deserve amnesty, but not others? Should we keep every surviving American quisling behind barbed wire for the rest of their lives, even low-ranking members of the puppet government and its army? Is this justice?
Nearly every American lost family members in the war, and many aren't yet ready to reconcile with old enemies. Let everyone voice his/her opinion on this matter.
 
(OOC: Red Dawn was one of my favorite movies back in the '80s. So why not have a thread?)

Those resistance folks saved a lot of downed pilots back then. I flew USAF F-4Es and got nailed by a Soviet SAM over Southern Colorado. Never met up with the Wolverines, though; but the group that found me eventually got several of us (AF, Marines, Army) over the Rockies and back into the fight. Us Air Force guys (and a couple of girls-the combat exclusion law got tossed as a wartime measure) took to ground-pounding OK; our time behind the lines was five months. Several fighter jocks I know did this two or three times. Just glad I only did it once. But everyone in the squadron knew that if they went down and the resistance found us, we'd be back flying sooner or later.
 
It's been twenty-five years. Has enough time passed, that we can commemorate our liberation by offering release and amnesty to our deluded countrymen who collaborated with the enemy during the occupation? Are we ready for that kind of forgiveness? Or is a quarter-century not long enough?
Do some of the collaborators deserve amnesty, but not others? Should we keep every surviving American quisling behind barbed wire for the rest of their lives, even low-ranking members of the puppet government and its army? Is this justice?
Nearly every American lost family members in the war, and many aren't yet ready to reconcile with old enemies. Let everyone voice his/her opinion on this matter.

Most collabartors nowadays are tolerated (except the high-ranking ones most were executed for treason while the rest remain in prison) however unfortunately at least 500,000 collaborators were lynched, murdered, killed in "accidents", died due to refusal to give medical care and so on during the retaking of the United States and the decade following before that tide of murder calmed down after a group of collaborators made that tearful apology before the nation.
 
I was only six years old at the time, but I remember when the Commies came into Louisiana from Texas with the objective of taking New Orleans.

My father, who was 36 at the time, joined one of the hastly organized militia units and engaged the Soviets west of Lafayette. His unit was decimated or course, due to the little training and inferior weapons they were given. After the battle, he went into the underground. With his prior military experience in Vietnam, he quickly become one of the resistance leaders in southwest Louisiana.

My mother, sister, and I become part of the flood of humanity that went eastward, eventually settling in Tennessee. We didn't hear from my father until the war was over, and had assumed he was dead. However, we were reunited and tried to rebuild our lives the best we could. My father didn't live very long after the war was over. He died in 1996 at the age of 47 and far before his time. The years of malnutrition, the rigors of fighting, and the wounds he recieved were just too much.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
Though you guys are predominantly American, you should remember the Canadians who died in the Soviet drive South from Alaska. Without the destruction of over half of the supplies in the final year of the resistance that were flowing from the USSR to North America from Alaska and Northern Canada it would have been even harder. Since Resistance day is officially a day about Canada and the US, I think it might deserve a bit more recognizing from you guys. Without the Canadian nuclear weapons being developed as well, the war would have dragged on much longer. Our agreement with the European nations (who were much more agreeable to Canada since we fought in both previous World Wars right away, instead of waiting to join like America) to station nuclear capable bombers on their soil without alerting the Russians was essential to finally getting the fight back onto their soil.

OOC: Too much?
 
Without the Canadians, Ivan might very well have gotten those 60 divisions down into the lower 48 and cut the country in half. Thanks to our northern cousins, the Soviet drive got stopped at the U.S.-Canadian border, and thus Ivan never got into the Dakotas-the two Interstates (I-90 and I-94) and the railroads stayed open and were never cut. Still, it took three years and who knows how many American and Canadian lives before the Russians and their allies were driven out. (they're still finding bodies on battlefields even today-the L.A. Times had a story recently about a dig by the Army near Alamagordo, NM: some NM Guard and AF Security Police from Holloman AFB tried to stop the Cuban push north and give the F-15 Wing there time to get away-they were overrun and the survivors executed-seems the grave site's been finally found-but they didn't die in vain-the F-15s flew out to Luke in Arizona and got on with the war)

Collaborators can be divided into two groups: those who collaborated out of fear (the majority), and those out of conviction. The ones who did it because someone with an AK-74 stuck it in their faces, I can understand. The ones who did it because of conviction or out of opportunity-they're lower than pond scum. That mayor in the Wolverines' hometown-anyone know what happened to him? When I was in Southern Colorado to look up the guerillas who helped with my E&E, his fate was a topic of some discussion-seems he disappeared after 1st Marine Division got there during the final liberation. If he's filling some unmarked grave somewhere...At least the locals in that part of Colorado celebrate the USMC's birthday every 10 November.
 
Unfortunately, the celebrations are tempered by the nuclear destruction of Lincoln, Nebraska (OOC: Strategic Air Command); Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado (OOC: North American Aerospace Defense Command) and San Diego, California (OOC: U.S. Naval Command Center). The saddest thing is that despite the ferverent anti-Communism of the Chicano/Latino community many people still blame the Mexicans for the invasion. You have members of Congress saying that Mexican immigrants should carry "identity papers" before they can enter certain areas.....
 
(OOC: remember the AF Colonel in the movie? He told the Wolverines that the Soviets got stopped at the U.S-Canadian border, and that the furthest north the Soviet/Cuban/Nicauraguan push from Mexico got was Cheyenne across Kansas to the Mississippi. I doubt Ivan got anywhere close to New Orleans, as the I-10 and U.S. 90 each have lots of bridges thru the swamps west of the Mississippi, and blowing those bridges stops anyone in their tracks. And it's highly unlikely that Ivan's and Fidel's engineers could repair the blown spans-lots of nasty critters in the water-gators, water moccassins, etc....SAC HQ was at Omaha, not Lincoln; also hit by nukes were Kansas City and Washington, DC)

It is unfortunate the way Mexican immigrants have been treated postwar, as they've helped a lot with reconstruction. But the southern prong of the invasion came out of Mexico, and there were some Mexicans (with Soviet and Cuban "advisors") in the invasion force. And it's not just Mexicans: there was a lot of shabby treatment of people of Russian or East European descent during and after the war. Even though 99.99% of those people were utterly loyal. Like the Japanese-Americans in WW II, many proved their loyalty-on the battlefield.
 
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