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One POD would be to resolve the Chanak crisis differently, so that the British don't get their puppet sultanate and are kicked out of Turkey, along with the Greeks. While the USSR forced the Greeks to give up Ionia, I see that ITTL they have lost even the portion of Thrace they kept.

Mustafa Kemal was pretty capable and it took a long war to subdue him. I can see him and his successors achieving the borders Turkey has on the accidental map, and keeping it non-communist. OTL, the Soviets not only were able to expand Armenia, already a part of the USSR, but were able to set up a communist state in Kurdistan as well, and then got a communist government in Turkey after the 1952 revolution. So you have the Turkish nationalists win and that changes the Middle East.

As for butteflies, without the heavy British commitment to Turkey, maybe the UK and the USA do better in World War 2, and are able to keep the Soviets away from the Kiel canal, Vienna, Greece, and so on.
 
I think its obvious that ITTL Italy remained neutral. The lack of a Balkan campaign allowed the Jugoslav monarchy to stay in power instead of Tito's communists taking over. That would explain a neutral Austria as well: Italy turns on the Nazis when it becomes convenient and makes it as far as Munich before Goebbels surrenders. Then when Mussolini dies of prostate cancer like OTL a more anti-communist leader joins this "NATO"
 
What would be the fate of North America in this timeline? Would there be no Association of New Englander Communes, or People's Republic of Mexico? I honestly can't see the Americans' corrupt government and economy surviving the standoff with the Soviets.
 
WI the first map included neutral: Denmark, East Germany and Bulgaria?
Would a neutral demilitarized zone - through the middle of Europe - reduce tensions during the Cold War?
 
WI the first map included neutral: Denmark, East Germany and Bulgaria?
Would a neutral demilitarized zone - through the middle of Europe - reduce tensions during the Cold War?
I do think that it would reduce tensions - most likely resulting in the Soviets collapsing, rather than the US. OTL, the main reason the cold war ended was the Indochinese War, the US intervention of which caused massive casualties and student riots across the country. Without the tense world environment, the US won't have the need to intervene directly.
 
I think its obvious that ITTL Italy remained neutral. The lack of a Balkan campaign allowed the Jugoslav monarchy to stay in power instead of Tito's communists taking over. That would explain a neutral Austria as well: Italy turns on the Nazis when it becomes convenient and makes it as far as Munich before Goebbels surrenders. Then when Mussolini dies of prostate cancer like OTL a more anti-communist leader joins this "NATO"
I read up on this scenario and apparently Yugoslavia is communist, but not allied with the soviets. So.... Cookies if you can get a communist non soviet aligned Yugoslavia without Bulgaria.
 
What would be the fate of North America in this timeline? Would there be no Association of New Englander Communes, or People's Republic of Mexico? I honestly can't see the Americans' corrupt government and economy surviving the standoff with the Soviets.
????????? You mean that one communist party in New England that tried to secede from the US and terribly failed! What do you mean America couldn't win the cold war? It did! In 1988! World War 2 did not occur in North America.
 
I do think that it would reduce tensions - most likely resulting in the Soviets collapsing, rather than the US. OTL, the main reason the cold war ended was the Indochinese War, the US intervention of which caused massive casualties and student riots across the country. Without the tense world environment, the US won't have the need to intervene directly.
The soviets reformed OTL. Are you from a different TL? The USA won. OF course there is still Manchuria but...

OOC: Seriously read the rest of the discussion
 
????????? You mean that one communist party in New England that tried to secede from the US and terribly failed! What do you mean America couldn't win the cold war? It did! In 1988! World War 2 did not occur in North America.

The soviets reformed OTL. Are you from a different TL? The USA won. OF course there is still Manchuria but...

OOC: Seriously read the rest of the discussion

((OOC: Was setting it up so US collapses -> England and France take up leadership of NATO, then Soviets collapse and leave Manchuria as a dictatorship, New England as one too... etc.))
 
((OOC: Was setting it up so US collapses -> England and France take up leadership of NATO, then Soviets collapse and leave Manchuria as a dictatorship, New England as one too... etc.))
OOC: Well still, please read previous posts, and please try and make the DBWI make sense and not conflict with itself.
 
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