DBWI - The US stays together

So as we all know, the US ended up fracturing during the Second American Civil War during the early 1930s, and remains divided to this day. The question is: what would North America and the world look like if they'd stayed together? Obviously, Alaska wouldn't be Canadian, but what else? What would the US look like in comparison with the OTL nations of North America? Would the British Empire have formed a Federation as it did OTL - and would it have thrived as it has, in a world with the US? And would Japan have risen in Asia the way it did?

What do you think?
 
The Philadelphia Republic (OOC: basically the Northeastern, Mid-Atlantic, and New England states), the most powerful US successor state (except for the the PSA, all US successor states are referred to as the (Insert capital city here) Republic) due to them claiming to be the legitimate government) would probably be the model for a still-extant USA as it's Constitutionalist government has managed to turn the Philadelphia Republic into a major world power, albeit nowhere near what an extant USA would look like in power and it's political system is merely a modified version of the old US' government unlike the communistic Chicago Republic, the fascist Atlanta Republic, and the parliamentary system of the PSA.
 
First off, you might wanna butterfly the election of John Nance Garner in 1928. His non-reaction to the stock market crash set off the disintegration of the US.
 
No Soviet domination of Europe, for one, since the US would've intervened as the Soviets moved from Germany into France. This, with the rather violent revolution in India which led to its independence in 1945, led to the Federation of the British Empire to occur in the first place.
 
No Soviet domination of Europe, for one, since the US would've intervened as the Soviets moved from Germany into France. This, with the rather violent revolution in India which led to its independence in 1945, led to the Federation of the British Empire to occur in the first place.
Actually, the rebels failed to win total independence, but the whole experience lead Britain to grant India greater autonomy, setting the example for future dominions.
 
"US ended up fracturing during the Second American Civil War"

Someone won against the Federal/Union. Call it Confederacy, Federation, something.

OOC: The Atlanta Republic that @Whiteshore mentioned?

The Philadelphia Republic (OOC: basically the Northeastern, Mid-Atlantic, and New England states), the most powerful US successor state (except for the the PSA, all US successor states are referred to as the (Insert capital city here) Republic) due to them claiming to be the legitimate government) would probably be the model for a still-extant USA as it's Constitutionalist government has managed to turn the Philadelphia Republic into a major world power, albeit nowhere near what an extant USA would look like in power and it's political system is merely a modified version of the old US' government unlike the communistic Chicago Republic, the fascist Atlanta Republic, and the parliamentary system of the PSA.

IC: Point. Though mind you, would the two-party system have managed to endure in a country as big as the old US? Would two parties have managed to govern such a large and diverse group of people? I mean, one of the big advantages about the Parliamentary system in the Pacific States of America is that they've managed to effectively enfranchise and represent the diverse population.

Though that said, Prime Minister Santiago's Progressive-Centrist-Mormon-Independent coalition government is one of the more argumentative Pacific politics has seen in a while...

No Soviet domination of Europe, for one, since the US would've intervened as the Soviets moved from Germany into France. This, with the rather violent revolution in India which led to its independence in 1945, led to the Federation of the British Empire to occur in the first place.

Yeah...the Brits were able to help the Scandinavians resist, at least, and the Italians and Spanish managed to hold Southern Europe together (backed up by the threat of the V-Force). With hard-right regimes, but still...

Mind you, these days the USSR's influence over Western Europe's pretty negligible. The economic reforms and the loosening of the strings holding the puppet regimes has led to the European People's Association effectively becoming a bloc in its own right. Granted, they're still part of the Pact of Budapest, but many reckon they'll economically eclipse the Union soon.
 
"US ended up fracturing during the Second American Civil War"

Someone won against the Federal/Union. Call it Confederacy, Federation, something.
OOC: But the bit about selling Florida to Spain makes no sense given that the POD apparently took place long after the Spanish-American War.
 
Yeah...the Brits were able to help the Scandinavians resist, at least, and the Italians and Spanish managed to hold Southern Europe together (backed up by the threat of the V-Force). With hard-right regimes, but still...

Mind you, these days the USSR's influence over Western Europe's pretty negligible. The economic reforms and the loosening of the strings holding the puppet regimes has led to the European People's Association effectively becoming a bloc in its own right. Granted, they're still part of the Pact of Budapest, but many reckon they'll economically eclipse the Union soon.
To be fair, they were always distant. The influence of moderate "Popular Front" socialists, as well as the exiled CNT-FAI and other anarchist organizations in the newly founded communist governments helped make it more a Chicago or Hydrabad style communist state, not a Soviet one. Plus, the Budapest Pact couldn't get there easily, so reforms were easier.
 
The influence of moderate "Popular Front" socialists, as well as the exiled CNT-FAI and other anarchist organizations in the newly founded communist governments helped make it more a Chicago or Hydrabad style communist state, not a Soviet one.
Given how nasty those two are, that's not saying much.
 
Which American government is most likely to go try to "reunite the Union" via force? British-backed Philadelphia, Japanese-backed Atlanta, or Soviet-aligned Chicago?
 
If the Republic of Texas did not secede, would we have ended up buying most of our oil from Rashidi Arabia?
 

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Well, as a New Englander, I wonder if our Progressive Conservatives would have a voice with some of the right-wingers on the plains. Also, there's no way we'd have had 20 years of Ted Kennedy (plus 4+ years of Joe now).
 
One thing we could consider is a possible Chinese Manchuria. Or just less Japanese influence overall in the Far East. If America stays united, that butterflys the Japanese occupation of the Philippines, and probably therefore the Hainan Incident as well.

Though the Soviets were close to ousting the Japanese from the mainland before the Japs developed atomics - perhaps Japanese influence is simply replaced with Russian influence, making the USSR even stronger than it is today?

Relations between the United Kingdom and the socialist continental European countries would probably be better, on account of the decreased likelihood of Soviet influence that far west. Maybe France would even still have its empire, or a reformed version of it as the British do with the Federation?
 
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