DBWI: The US hadn't fallen apart?

We all know that the great depression caused the US to fall apart. President Mellon failed to address the economic concerns and even made it worse in a way. President Tydings was just Mellon but more moderate, and eventually his assassination caused the country to fall a part.

What would have happened if the US hadn't fallen apart? Certainly, Mellon had to be replaced with someone more moderate, and Tydings had to be replaced by someone with bold, progressive ideas (Wheeler and Long [1] come to mind), but who?

How would World War 2 go if the US hadn't fallen apart?

[1]=It may seem shocking that the 1st Communist Premier of Louisiana was a progressive. But he became a communist after Tydings's assassination. He supported Burton K. Wheeler's 1932 run and gave the Louisiana delegation to him.
 
The Soviet Union probably wouldn't be the main superpower of the world with Communism the dominant socio-economic system in the planet. It's a shame that us comrades are at each other's throats, otherwise we would have defeated the British Empire, the last enclave of capitalism.
 
The Soviet Union probably wouldn't be the main superpower of the world with Communism the dominant socio-economic system in the planet. It's a shame that us comrades are at each other's throats, otherwise we would have defeated the British Empire, the last enclave of capitalism.

Don't forget Britain's ally, the Japanese Empire. Granted, they have more of a managed-capitalist system, but it's capitalism nonetheless.

Speaking of which, if the U.S. had remained united, it probably could've stopped Japan from conquering most of China, Southeast Asia, Hawaii, and the Aleutians.
 
We all know that the great depression caused the US to fall apart. President Mellon failed to address the economic concerns and even made it worse in a way. President Tydings was just Mellon but more moderate, and eventually his assassination caused the country to fall a part.

What would have happened if the US hadn't fallen apart? Certainly, Mellon had to be replaced with someone more moderate, and Tydings had to be replaced by someone with bold, progressive ideas (Wheeler and Long [1] come to mind), but who?

How would World War 2 go if the US hadn't fallen apart?

[1]=It may seem shocking that the 1st Communist Premier of Louisiana was a progressive. But he became a communist after Tydings's assassination. He supported Burton K. Wheeler's 1932 run and gave the Louisiana delegation to him.

I once read a book about Frank Roosevelt, the Democrats' candidate for Vice President in 1920 and a cousin of Teddy. He got polio after that election and quit politics, turning his energies toward building a health resort in Georgia for polio patients which turned out to be pretty famous in its day for rehabilitating its patients; it later grew into a large charitable organization which provided vast amounts of aid to polio patients throughout the United States. Perhaps if this Roosevelt hadn't gotten sick, he might have stayed in politics? Considering what he managed to do as a polio victim, perhaps a healthy Roosevelt would have been a successful candidate for President. He raised a ton of money for his charity and became rather famous for raising money from people across the nation 10 cents at a time. At one point, the "March of Dimes" was the most well-known charity in the nation and Roosevelt was its public face. The organization had a lot to do with funding the research for the polio vaccine, which Roosevelt did not live to see, as he died in 1950.
 
Don't forget Britain's ally, the Japanese Empire. Granted, they have more of a managed-capitalist system, but it's capitalism nonetheless.

Speaking of which, if the U.S. had remained united, it probably could've stopped Japan from conquering most of China, Southeast Asia, Hawaii, and the Aleutians.
Well, the Japanese lost China and parts of Southeast Asia (Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Indonesia) to communist revolutions in the 1960s-1990s and are steadily declining in power.
 
I don't see it happening. The old USA was just too divided to stand. All the black folks in the South were going to get pissed off and want out eventually, especially when they were the first to lose economic opportunities during the Depression. And after the failed assassination attempt on Seward Collins just made him invincible, it was only a matter of time before he tried to turn America fascist. And after he lost to Tydings, he became a unifying figure in the Tradition movement, and that's why the CSA has been under one-party rule by the Tradition Party since the 40s. They're still bitter about losing those four states to the Free State of Douglass, though, and the CSA-Douglass feud is a thing of legendary proportions around the world.

At least things got better here in the Great Lakes Union after the Cleveland government finally told the KKK they weren't welcome. Now that cars only take two hours to charge for a month, the GLU's technocracy is the envy of the world. You can't blink without triggering some kind of cool gadget here, something those in the CSA will never know.
 
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I don't see it happening. The old USA was just too divided to stand. All the black folks in the South were going to get pissed off and want out eventually, especially when they were the first to lose economic opportunities during the Depression. And after the failed assassination attempt on Huey Long just made him invincible, it was only a matter of time before he tried to turn America fascist. And after he lost to Tydings, he became a unifying figure in the Tradition movement, and that's why the CSA has been under one-party rule by the Tradition Party since the 40s. They're still bitter about losing those four states to the Free State of Douglass, though, and the CSA-Douglass feud is a thing of legendary proportions around the world.

At least things got better here in the Great Lakes Union after the Cleveland government finally told the KKK they weren't welcome. Now that cars only take two hours to charge for a month, the GLU's technocracy is the envy of the world. You can't blink without triggering some kind of cool gadget here, something those in the CSA will never know.

OOC: the previous posts established that Long was a Communist ITTL
 
The Soviet Union probably wouldn't be the main superpower of the world with Communism the dominant socio-economic system in the planet. It's a shame that us comrades are at each other's throats, otherwise we would have defeated the British Empire, the last enclave of capitalism.
You mean the Indian Empire.:p Yes, the British Imperial Federation is still governed from London, but India is increasingly becoming the real center of power in the Empire. It's gotten to the point that far-right activists are demanding that India actually be expelled from the Empire to maintain its "European character".
 
You mean the Indian Empire.:p Yes, the British Imperial Federation is still governed from London, but India is increasingly becoming the real center of power in the Empire. It's gotten to the point that far-right activists are demanding that India actually be expelled from the Empire to maintain its "European character".

I was under the impression that it was the other way round. The far right wants Britain to leave the empire in order to save its "European character" - although really its such a nebulous term that both could have some degree of influence...

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You mean the Indian Empire.:p Yes, the British Imperial Federation is still governed from London, but India is increasingly becoming the real center of power in the Empire. It's gotten to the point that far-right activists are demanding that India actually be expelled from the Empire to maintain its "European character".
The same far-right activists who think that the Third World War should begin any moment to crush the Communists (even though the French and Arabs are hardly communist anymore and the Soviets are carrying out similar economic reforms with the Italians, Argentinians (under the increasingly senile Chairman Che Guevara) and Chinese being the only hardline Communists left), right?
 
The same far-right activists who think that the Third World War should begin any moment to crush the Communists (even though the French and Arabs are hardly communist anymore and the Soviets are carrying out similar economic reforms with the Italians, Argentinians (under the increasingly senile Chairman Che Guevara) and Chinese being the only hardline Communists left), right?
Of course, relations between Britain and the Socialist bloc are better than ever now. They're just bitter old men angry that London dared to give autonomy to the "savages."
 
The same far-right activists who think that the Third World War should begin any moment to crush the Communists (even though the French and Arabs are hardly communist anymore and the Soviets are carrying out similar economic reforms with the Italians, Argentinians (under the increasingly senile Chairman Che Guevara) and Chinese being the only hardline Communists left), right?

Haven't heard that old name for Ernesto Guevara in years. I heard he hates the name. Maybe he's come around to it in his old age.

Of course, really the best thing that could have happened for COMINTERN was Stalin dropping dead in 1946. He was too much of a hardliner to make practical Communism work, and the reformers taking over and focusing on development and taking the USSR in more of an authoritarian rather than totalitarian direction was the best thing for the Red movement.

Getting into Hawaii is hell, though. My wife and I went there for her 30th birthday, and aside from costing over 10,000 Macks, we had to fill out endless paperwork and be searched four times just to get through customs at both Henry Ford and Titov airports. Sure is beautiful, though - the Soviets did a complete about-face in the 70d on conservation, and Hawaii and the Tretiak Islands are their shining examples.
 
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