As you all know in the 1980s, as a result of Jim Carter's policy, the US economy was shaken by the economic situation, which led to mass protests and the collapse of the state. Before that, left-wing radical movements in Europe intensified. Thus, the cold war ended in the victory of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Could the States win? If for example ... to land on the Moon and get ahead of the Soviets in the lunar race? Win the Vietnamese war? Аvoid restructuring? To rationalize the economy?
 
Well Sergey Boroskin wouldn't have written his end of the class struggle thesis proclaiming the triumph of Marxism-Leninism and the lack of an alternative.

There wouldn't be as many hammer and sickle emblems on every street corner throughout the world.

The Euracomm federation would not have come into being(OOC-China and Russia reconcile and integrate economically with their satellites)
 
The biggest reason the US failed is because they made capitalism an ideology not a tool.
Whereas the USSR implemented self management reforms to its economy the United States was firmly opposed to anything that wasn't the free market, to the point were unions were banned and strikes were ended with violence.
This ultimately led to mass uprisings to crush the bourgeois dictatorship of the United States.
So I guess for this to happen you need a less pragmatic USSR and a more pragmatic US.
 
I heard there was some arch-capitalist crusader from california who wanted space lasers and a massive military to scare the USSR into submission and almost became US president in 1980 i think. That guy would probably have started WW3 if he was elected. I forgot his name though.
 
I heard there was some arch-capitalist crusader from california who wanted space lasers and a massive military to scare the USSR into submission and almost became US president in 1980 i think. That guy would probably have started WW3 if he was elected. I forgot his name though.
With the fact that now the People's Republic of California is one of the most radical in the territory of the former US, with the "personality cult" of Bob Avakyan. History is not without irony.
 
I heard there was some arch-capitalist crusader from california who wanted space lasers and a massive military to scare the USSR into submission and almost became US president in 1980 i think. That guy would probably have started WW3 if he was elected. I forgot his name though.

George Lucas, I believe. And I agree - a Lucas Presidency would have been utterly disastrous (even more so than what eventually happened), although I don't think his election chances were too high. At that point, Carter was still very popular (for whatever reason; I don't think the full effects of his economic policies had been realised yet), and Lucas seemed far too untested.
 
The mere idea of that makes me sick. Imagine this neverending terror - entire world under the cruel rule of the USA and their oligarchy, where no one can even step forward without the 'blessing' of the corporations, fascist politicians and their allies from the churches. Where the masses are feed with a, pardon my English, feces - figurately, of course, I mean the worst kind of food (have you seen those Mcdonald "restaurants"? Last year I've seen a documental movie about that in the TV, they were using rat meat!), the worst kind of entertainment... Well, bread and circus for the masses, and everything else for the rulers! If you've read a book "Year 1984" (I've got my hands on the edition from 2003 year) you probably know what I'm talking about. We would be like animals.
Luckily this nightmare was prevented by sacrifice of countless people from the free world.
 
I personally don't like blaming of Jimmy Carter he was a good president he had lots of problems to fix from the Agnew administration after Nixon killed himself in 73. Maybe if Agnew resigned and let the senator from Kansas Dole become president Carter would of had better ground to work with.

Also the USSR invasion of Afghanistan went perfect for them if that becomes there Vietnam i feel they fall before America falls. USA might still sprinter but I doubt it would of taken Canada and the UK with it like it did in OTL.

from the New England Confederacy the last Democratic states in North America
 
from the New England Confederacy the last Democratic states in North America
You mean the last fasco-capitalist regime in North America.
You can't honestly believe the propaganda about your country being democratic, true democracy can only come from overthrowing the oppressive owner class.
 
You mean the last fasco-capitalist regime in North America.
You can't honestly believe the propaganda about your country being democratic, true democracy can only come from overthrowing the oppressive owner class.

we have many political party's unlike most the world with there one party's just becuase you put makeup on a pig does not change that its not a pig.

Back to the rest of my post what do you think? If the freedom fighters shoot down some Hinds and crush some T54's under rocks does that break the USSR"s view that the military was the best? combined with USA increasing there Submarine force to force USSR to honestly build the Typhoon class?
 
The United States, ultimately, could never have won the Cold War, no matter how you try to spin it or what PoD you pick. Despite their high level of industrialization, they never could have defeated the USSR space program. Vietnam was a futile war: the US military just wasn't used to the guerrilla tactics of the Viet Cong, and they couldn't have adapted their troops in time. Furthermore, the USA could barely hold itself together. Ethnically speaking, it was like the old Austro-Hungarian empire. They didn't have the same cultural homeostasis that we take for granted in the USSR, and although it may have outwardly championed strength in diversity the truth is that its diversity (and racism) and the states' competing interests were exactly what pulled it apart.

If we want the US to win the Cold War, we'll have to go all the way back to World War Two and somehow prevent the communists from winning in China's civil war. Regardless of if China was split into north and south like Korea used to be or completely unified under a capitalist government, the loss of such a large communist ally would greatly weaken the USSR.

Another way to do this would be to eliminate the USSR altogether. It wasn't as strong as it is now during the Second World War, and if Hitler had pushed far east enough the Central Asian areas could have broken off and Japan would have been free to continue into Kamchatka. Perhaps the USSR could have been split like Germany was between British/French and American puppet states, a la Philip K. Dick's The Grasshopper Lies Heavy.

Ultimately, though, any victory would be in name at best. Capitalism was just too inefficient to be a lasting, workable ideology, and it reeked of fascism too much for the people to continue to accept it. As a certain politician put it, "Fascism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin, if they aren't both on the same side already." Communism was the only solution to the depravity of Nazi Germany and its effects on the world, and nothing else would have been quite so efficient.
 

GeographyDude

Gone Fishin'
The biggest reason the US failed is because they made capitalism an ideology not a tool. . . . . So I guess for this to happen you need a less pragmatic USSR and a more pragmatic US.
I think you may have hit upon it. When President Howard Baker was elected in 1980, seemingly a quote "moderate" Republican, but he was a fanatic about balancing the federal budget, including during a time of economic recession.

When, My God, you're always trying to achieve multiple goals at the same time, certainly with economics. But somehow this point eluded him.

So, yeah, if we had stayed more loosey-goosey while the Soviets went more doctrinaire, may have made for a very different world.
 
Maybe something happens for Communism, or even socialism as a whole to be totally discredited. Maybe some totalitarian maniac comes into power in the USSR?

Alternatively, the Red Army was well prepared when Hitler attacked, maybe have a less well equipped military so the USSR would have to be more dependent on some sort of lend-lease rather than easily occupy the whole of Germany and all of the Balkans?

Maybe have more failed or crushed socialist states in Europe. Maybe the Spanish civil war ends in a Fascist victory. The victory of the Republic forced the Soviet Union to be pragmatic and form a "united front" with anarchist, syndicalist and even social democratic voices or face a split between Madrid and Moscow, and this led to a gradual reconciliation between Bolshevik and non-Bolsheviks on the far left. Alternatively somehow butterfly away the united front era and have a split between the USSR and the Spanish Republic.

OOC: Since no one established it yet, I'll put it so that Stalin never comes to power. We can assume he dies in the civil war.
 
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Maybe something happens for Communism, or even socialism as a whole to be totally discredited. Maybe some totalitarian maniac comes into power in the USSR?
Like some kind of Hitler analog rising to power within the CPSU?
Who could even fill that role?
Sure Comrade Molotov's methods could be a little unpleasant sometimes but it was always for the greater good.
 

DevlPalce

Banned
This is the focus of one of the Free Indian People's Republic's famour authors, Philip J Dick Jr., new book. Banned in over 95% of the world, just saying. Just saying, in that, the world is not totally a slave to the communists, with that eternal heart of darkness covering this entire beautiful earth.

I wonder what a change India would have if the US won the cold war. For one, India certainly would not have taken in the industralists, philosopher's, authors, poets, etc? that it did after the collapse of the entire western world to communism. Certainly India would not have the highest GDP, something communist countries care little about.

The world would probably have hundred's of countries if the US won. Now, the world is divided just like Orwell predicted, with only India, Chile and the New-England Republic being free.....
 
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