What if the United States (1775-1906) hadn't entered a 36-years-long civil war in 1861 over the matter of slavery, falling into warlordism in the 1870s before officially being dismantled in the treaty of Halifax in 1906 into its 18 successors, most of whom to this day tend to be at some war with each other at any time
DBWI: The United States of America don't collapse
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For starters, liberal democracy wouldn't be associated with liberal constitutional monarchies on the model of the United Kingdom or the German Empire or parliamentary republics modelled on the French Republic with the failure of presidential republicanism in the United States.
The ensuing collapse of trade wouldn't have left Europe unable to deal with building tensions in spheres of influence- everyone had too much rebuilding to do. So we could have seen that erupt into something heinous. I also doubt the Colonial Reform Societies would have been able to get civil rights through the administrations if not for the fact that part of the 2ACW stemmed from horrid levels of racism
So, yeah, your thoughts on what the wider impact of the United States of America not collapsing would be?
Maybe we would see the collapse of the great European monarchies of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Russia as a result of this instead of our world where all three have survived to this day (with Russia being a de facto absolute monarchy to this day)?
Well.. Mexico is a first world country and a presidential republic. It succeeded there. It is considered a great power of the new world. Along with People's Republic of Argentina: a Techno-Syndicalist State.
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Perhaps the ABC Bloc (Argentina, Brazil, and Chile) in South America would have some competition for dominance in the Western Hemisphere?
But still, the collapse of the United States ensured that most democracies are either constitutional monarchies (like Britain or Germany) or parliamentary republics (like France). And as for New World Great Powers, I think you forgot the Empire of Brazil as well.
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Thomas1195
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Most of the rump US states are a mess, especially the Southern ones. However, the rump Federal States of America in the Northeastern Seabed (New York, New England, Pennsylvania, New Jersey) is very successful economically, and qualitatively much more superior than Mexico or Brazil. Its GDP per capita is like £90000, by far the highest in the whole American continent, while inequality is well below average, certainly lower than Mexico or Brazil. It is, however, a parliamentary republic.
The rump Midwest does fine as well as part of Canada.
I don't think the pound sterling would remain the world's reserve currency in a surviving US TL. Just look a how filthy rich the FSA is, imagine it has control over the whole former USA, or even just the whole former Midwest.
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I mean, considering the Federal States is comprised of the richest and most industrialized regions of the United States prior to the Civil War and the Collapse, it is no surprise the Federal States does so well.
But it did take a time to recover after that failed phase of trying to reconquer the old US in the 40s, there's a reason why New England is ruled by a branch of the Windsors (Also, would have Canada been as important in North American politics without the US?, they're nowadays the biggest country in the region and one of the world's largest economies?)
Thomas1195
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The FSA is a parliamentary republic. There was a Windsor guy who won five consecutive elections during the 1940s-1960s but no more.
Seriously? Man, so which is the country in the successor states which decided to have a monarchy and invited a branch of the House of Windsor? Or did I simply confuse it with Canada?
OOC: (Sorry, I completely didn't notice that you said the FSA controlled New England, I for some reason only read New York, Pensilvania and New Jersey)
Dolan
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US collapsed and keep becoming a messy land (outside of FSA) because of their own White Supremacist ideology. That ended up as a wake up slap on collective European Empires that started their own Imperial Equality Programs.
To be fajr though, the British Empire actually get their equality act somewhat too late, King Edward VIII wanted to marry his Irish Catholic lover and was forced by the Conservative Parliament to abdicate in favor of his brother. It caused Ireland to declare Independence and invited Deposed King to become The High King of Ireland (where the Edwardian line still ruled as High Kings until this day).
I would say that in the surviving US scenario, there will be no incentive for European Empires to do the Imperial Equality program, and King Edward would not even dare to try to convert to Catholicism to marry his dream girl. Resulting in Ireland still being an integral part of the British Empire instead of their rebellious cousins.
To be fajr though, the British Empire actually get their equality act somewhat too late, King Edward VIII wanted to marry his Irish Catholic lover and was forced by the Conservative Parliament to abdicate in favor of his brother. It caused Ireland to declare Independence and invited Deposed King to become The High King of Ireland (where the Edwardian line still ruled as High Kings until this day).
I would say that in the surviving US scenario, there will be no incentive for European Empires to do the Imperial Equality program, and King Edward would not even dare to try to convert to Catholicism to marry his dream girl. Resulting in Ireland still being an integral part of the British Empire instead of their rebellious cousins.