Thomas1195

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Would they be allies with Russia or no?
Or becoming Russian puppet.

IOTL, following the disastrous Austro-Roman War (1688-1695), Rhomania lost over half of its European territories (Western Serbia and Hungary), except for Greece, Albania, Eastern Serbia and Bulgaria. At the same time, Persia revolted and declared independence. Meanwhile, Russia expanded substantially by adding eastern lands and the Baltic regions (OOC: Baltic states).

Consequently, Rhomania became a junior partner of Russia after that. The nationalist revolutions during the 1850s, which led to United Serbia as well as independent Bulgaria and Albania, finally relegated Rhomania to a Russian puppet (Rhomania itself only survived thanks to Russian intervention which crushed the Greek nationalist rebels). Not to mention that they were forced to yield Egypt and Sinai without a fight in 1870 by just 5 British ironclads.



Edit: Forgot to mention Ireland stumbaling upon New Ireland on accident almost a month after Columbus set sail for England.
OOC: New Ireland is located in Novascotia and put this in since SeaCambrian elaborated on his post :)
It also became British when Ireland joined the United Kingdom.
OOC: they joined the same way Scotland joined the UK, on a more equal term.

The Spanish were reluctant in giving up land in North Africa to the Romans, so if there were a more hostile force, you bet they’d try and keep them out of the Atlantic. Besides, Florida, and the Roman islands in the Caribbean were almost portugese
IOTL most of them were grabbed by the Brits during the 18th (American islands and colonies) and 19th century (Egypt and Sinai, plus Gibraltar).
 
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IOTL, following the disastrous Austro-Roman War (1688-1695), Rhomania lost over half of its European territories (Western Serbia and Hungary), except for Greece, Albania, Eastern Serbia and Bulgaria. At the same time, Persia revolted and declared independence.
You’ve been drinking some weird kool-aid, Rhomania lost Hungary yes, but western Serbia was still Roman. Persia was only independent for a century before Russia conqured it to gain access to the Persian gulf and Indian Ocean since the integration of Rhomania gave them the opportunity. I think Arabia reconquering Mecca was more eventful since it didn’t fall back into Orthodox hands untill the Great War where the Russian-Roman empire gobbled it up.
(Rhomania itself only survived thanks to Russian intervention which crushed the Greek nationalist rebels).
there weren’t any. Most of those were farmers protesting new taxes. Rhomania is majority Greek. The one you are referring to was after Rhomania and Russia unified in 1745 (like Britain and Ireland, or England and Scotland.)
Not to mention that they were forced to yield Egypt and Sinai without a fight in 1870 by just 5 British ironclads.
Russia sold it technically but forcefully. But Britain didn’t have much influence in the are for the 50 years it was onned by them. After the first Great War, the Russian-Roman empire got it back in the treaty of Paris.
IOTL most of them were grabbed by the Brits during the 18th (American islands and colonies) and 19th century (Egypt and Sinai, plus Gibraltar).
well they got their colonies in America after they had become a world power. Of course, it didn’t last long since the United States annexed them after they won independence. Funny how only 10 years after Byzantium lost its new world colonies, the us would revolt against the British in 1776 preventing the British from reaping the full benafits of the new territory. Again, Egypt and Sinai were lost in the Great War. Gibraltar on the other hand rejoined Rhomani in 1983 shorty after their vote for independence.
It also became British when Ireland joined the United Kingdom.
yea, but was still Irish. They weren’t British in the sense that the United States of America was, or how the United Provinces of a Columbia were. Canada a pretty small country and is overshadowed by both its neighbor to the west (Quebec) and it’s neighbor to the south (the United States)
 
@Legend 27 The Turkish population becomes majority Shia and eventually ends up recreating the Achaemenid Empire by uniting with Persia.

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@Legend 27 The Turkish population becomes majority Shia and eventually ends up recreating the Achaemenid Empire by uniting with Persia.

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OOC: Greek is the main culture of the ruling class and center of the empire. Eastern Orthodox is also the main religion. If it isn’t then that would have this thread spirlining down a completely weird path. Let’s just please keep this Byzantium and not a Shia Ottoman Empire please! I’m gonna stick with Greek and orthodoxy being the main characteristics of this surviving Byzantine empire, because if it isn’t then the DBWI is just ruined. I also thought we established that the Turkish population were only in eastern Anatolia. Please don’t make this dbwi go completely off the rails.
 
I wonder if in the Turks took over Byzantium if Austria would take hungry earlier. Perhaps they could take most or all of the Balkans, or if independence movements would prevent them from doing so. Though, if muslim Turks were able to conquer the Balkans, I wonder if they could convert them from orthodoxy to Islam. Same with Greece, would it be Muslim or stay orthodox?
Or becoming Russian puppet.
No. That was due to a royal marriage. I am positive a Muslim Turkish Empire would mean no royal marriage with Russia. Maybe an expansionist Tsar could try and take over parts of the empire? But other than that, I don’t see it becoming part of the Russian sphere. A Russia with less warm water ports probably wouldn’t make it to America. Heck, they couldn’t even compete with Britain since they’d be too weak. A world where Britain is unchecked is a scary thought. Maybe they’re able to conquer quebec, or hold onto the UPC, India, and Australia to the present day.
 
This would be a radical shift. After the restoration by the glorious Basileus Michael VIII Palaiologos the empire began a serious rebound. His successors abandoned the Pronoia system and re-established central control over the aristocracy. They even managed to retake the European provinces very quickly. You would have to butterfly away the Mongols and Timur for this to work. The Palaiologoi were the first truly legitimate hereditary dynasty since the Macedonians, and Constantine XI was seen as the second coming of Constantine the Great. The Mongols in this timeline annihilated and depopulated Turkish Anatolia. The Rhomaoi siezed upon this by making an alliance with the Golden Horde. They quickly siezed Anatolia and the Romans began moving in. There was lots of pressure for the Turks to convert to Christianity. Many Turks were assimilated into the Empire as the Hellenized and Christianized and they gradually disapeared from our history like the Vandals did after Justinian the Great conquered them. The remaining Muslim Turks moved to Mesopotamia and were mostly Persianized. Though there is still a significant minority today. The Ottoman Empire was initially a Turkish state but after the Osmangolu Persianized they adopted the title of Shahansha of a restored Persian Empire. The Romans would have to have a succession of seriously incompetent emperors and a massive civil war for this to occur. Another possibility is that maybe Charles of Anjou survives and this forces Michael VIII to spend his time on him instead of his restoration efforts and reconstruction of Constantinople and would prevent their dominance and reconquest of the Levant and Egypt in a series of stunning victories in the 15th and 16th centuries. This Turkish conquest would most likely mean that Venice survives today. After all the infamous destruction of Venice would not have happened. The revanchist Romans in revenge for the sack of Constantinople sacked the city and looted it. Their Doge was publicly executed and many people were massacred. This event was similar to the destruction of Carthage in antiquity. This outraged the Latin world of Course but they couldn't really do anything as they were divided amongst themselves too busy squabbling with each other. Constantine XI gained much prestige over this after he recovered many of the Romans lost treasures and relics. He even recovered some of the crown jewels that were lost. Though Constantine gave orders to stop the massacre and avoid hurting Christians he didn't really make any attempts to stop his men which is a fact that is criticized by modern historians. After this Venice was annexed into the Holy Roman Empire. If this didn't happen Venice would likely dominate the Mediterranean with their vast trading networks. Genoa rose and was a prominent Roman ally.
 
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