DBWI the Theocrats don't win the russian revolution

After the great war russia went into a period of massive chaos.

At times it seemed like the old royals would win, that the republicans would win, that the socialists would win, and at one point that the communists would win, but when the fighting was over the only force still standing was the russian orthadox church.

For so long the church had been a relatively weak force in russian politics dominated by the royal family and the nobility, but with the other pieces of the board gone they gained power in russia and Russia was ruled by a theocracy that lasted almost a hundred years.

Even now with secularazation the church still has a lot of pull on what goes on in russian politics, but what if that didn't happen? What would the world look like today if Russia didn't become a theocracy?
 

Thomas1195

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Russia might have never been relegated to a Third World status with stagnant growth rate under an even more despotic regime. Before ww1, it experienced exceptional growth.
 

CaliGuy

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Russia might have never been relegated to a Third World status with stagnant growth rate under an even more despotic regime. Before ww1, it experienced exceptional growth.
Also, Russia would have almost certainly not experienced the forced mass conversion of various peoples to Russian Orthodoxy. :( Indeed, this process was especially brutal for ethnic groups who violently resisted this. :(
 

CaliGuy

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Even now with secularazation the church still has a lot of pull on what goes on in russian politics, but what if that didn't happen? What would the world look like today if Russia didn't become a theocracy?
For one, there would have been much more religious diversity in Russia today. :)

In addition to this, both women's rights and gay rights would have progressed much farther in a Russia that never became theocratic. :)
 
Also, Russia would have almost certainly not experienced the forced mass conversion of various peoples to Russian Orthodoxy. :( Indeed, this process was especially brutal for ethnic groups who violently resisted this. :(

The expulsion of the entirety of their jewish population during the 30s was one of the low points, but I have heard dark rumors of even worse things happening in the enterior of the country.

That said how about international relations?

Would Russia and Turky still be blood enemies or would they be the best of friends in a world were the orthadox victory didn't happen?
 
I laugh, seeing all you damned heretics criticizing the Blessed Vozhd and his government. One day, the seals shall be broken, and all impure folk will be broken by the Army of the Lord! Glory to Mother Rossiya, Glory to God!

The expulsion of the entirety of their jewish population during the 30s was one of the low points, but I have heard dark rumors of even worse things happening in the enterior of the country.

That said how about international relations?

Would Russia and Turky still be blood enemies or would they be the best of friends in a world were the orthadox victory didn't happen?

I suppose we must agree to disagree, heretic. All we did was increase the purity of our nation by expelling the Christ-Killers from Holy Rossiya, and who cares about them?

[Pictured above: the only person in Holy Rossiya with internet access. He got it for being the gargantuan jackwagon you see here, probably.]
 
In addition to this, both women's rights and gay rights would have progressed much farther in a Russia that never became theocratic. :)

Well, this we can see in the Far Eastern Republic. It's been a fairly liberal nation ever since its founding and the last thirty years have seen major strides: women's rights; marriage equality; etc.

Of course, it takes its marching orders from Tokyo and has been part of their alliance system since the Second Russo-Japanese War of 1941-43...

OOC: A Russian friend of mine once said that Siberian Russians tended to be more liberal than their compatriots further west so...
 
Well, this we can see in the Far Eastern Republic. It's been a fairly liberal nation ever since its founding and the last thirty years have seen major strides: women's rights; marriage equality; etc.

Of course, it takes its marching orders from Tokyo and has been part of their alliance system since the Second Russo-Japanese War of 1941-43...

OOC: A Russian friend of mine once said that Siberian Russians tended to be more liberal than their compatriots further west so...

Pah! The Frozen Heathens are no match for the Holy Army! Their technology and heretical liberalism will be smashed by God's will and Holy Rossiya's blood and iron!

And don't get me started on the Yellow Horde; their pagan idols gave them the powers of Satan that allowed them to win the last war! Our Blessed Vozhd's prayers will more than match their witchcraft!
 
Well, the Russian Revolution very much set the tone for the Clerical Fascism that was to follow, with France, Italy, and Spain, the former two in reaction to their defeat against Germany in the Great War, all heavily based their regimes around the Catholic Church. Maybe Fascism could take a more secular tone with no Russian Theocracy?
 

Thomas1195

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Well, the Clerical Fascist movement in France was totally crushed by the Republicans in 1934 with the help of the Brits.
 
Well, the Clerical Fascist movement in France was totally crushed by the Republicans in 1934 with the help of the Brits.

True. The British were very active in stamping out Clerical Fascism during the Second European War.

I wonder what this world without theocratic Russia would look like for Britain. OTL, the British Empire has been the leader of the anti-Russian bloc - without that rather scary enemy, would the Empire have held together?
 
True. The British were very active in stamping out Clerical Fascism during the Second European War.

I wonder what this world without theocratic Russia would look like for Britain. OTL, the British Empire has been the leader of the anti-Russian bloc - without that rather scary enemy, would the Empire have held together?

In other news Turkey has demanded the return of Istanbul (Now called Constanople.) The russian government's response was predictable.
 
Honestly, I think there's a good reason why the Theocratic Russian state and the United States of America (God bless it) have been getting closer and closer to war recently, and you know what? I welcome it. Those backwards Russian bastards have been playing with fire for too long. They don't have the bomb, we do, and if they keep threatening democracy and liberty around the globe, then...

Well, allow me to quote von Neumann. "If you say why not bomb them tomorrow, I say why not bomb them today? If you say today at five o'clock, why not today at one o'clock?" Bertrand Russell also had a similar view in terms of countering the white menace, a threat that seeks to turn back the clock and enslave the entire world under their faith. In other words, some of America's greatest luminaries have advocated for the wholesale atomic killing of an entire country...and I agree. While we would all love to see Russia invaded and its occupants freed...It's far too big for that. Napoleon and others tried and failed.

The only way to free the Russians and make sure their disease doesn't spread is to establish a world American empire by way of the atomic bomb. It's what Bertrand Russell, that famous pacifist, said he wanted, and he was a pacifist. We have the most bombers in the world, the best pilots, and hell...

I hope we go to atomic war any day now.

Bring it on.
 
Honestly, I think there's a good reason why the Theocratic Russian state and the United States of America (God bless it) have been getting closer and closer to war recently, and you know what? I welcome it. Those backwards Russian bastards have been playing with fire for too long. They don't have the bomb, we do, and if they keep threatening democracy and liberty around the globe, then...

Well, allow me to quote von Neumann. "If you say why not bomb them tomorrow, I say why not bomb them today? If you say today at five o'clock, why not today at one o'clock?" Bertrand Russell also had a similar view in terms of countering the white menace, a threat that seeks to turn back the clock and enslave the entire world under their faith. In other words, some of America's greatest luminaries have advocated for the wholesale atomic killing of an entire country...and I agree. While we would all love to see Russia invaded and its occupants freed...It's far too big for that. Napoleon and others tried and failed.

The only way to free the Russians and make sure their disease doesn't spread is to establish a world American empire by way of the atomic bomb. It's what Bertrand Russell, that famous pacifist, said he wanted, and he was a pacifist. We have the most bombers in the world, the best pilots, and hell...

I hope we go to atomic war any day now.

Bring it on.

Yeah.... Definitely.
If you really think that the nation solely dedicated to war and possessing a massive (and when I say massive, I mean MASSIVE) Air Defense System and city-sized underground bunkers will be cowed by American Fissies, then you are wronged. Those deranged maniacs may be crazy, but they always plan a step ahead. Anyways, they have "liberalized" now, so while that doesn't amount to anything, (as what had been done De Jure is being done De Facto) no politician is going to be able to attack Russia now.

Also, you all Yanks should learn from the Jerries, they too were confident of their ability to crush Russia, and look at Germany right now, the 1953 war has left it to be nothing more than a lackey of the Russians.
 

Thomas1195

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Germany right now, the 1953 war has left it to be nothing more than a lackey of the Russians

Are you imagining? Germany, which is currently the second largest economy in Europe, one of 4 permanent members of UN Security Council, and has a strong military, has never been a lackey of anyone. The Russians never got passed the Vistula during the whole war. They could not even subdue the Poles there and their armies were encircled and annihilated on the east bank.

Anyways, they have "liberalized" now, so while that doesn't amount to anything, (as what had been done De Jure is being done De Facto) no politician is going to be able to attack Russia now.
Yeah, calling a religious dictatorship a liberalized state. Oh my god.

"There is nothing so despicable as a secret society that is based upon religious prejudice and that will attempt to defeat a man because of his religious beliefs. Such a society is like a cockroach — it thrives in the dark. So do those who combine for such an end" - William Howard Taft.
The quote was once again used by Britain's greatest statesman, the Liberal PM Jo Grimond in 1985 in his (successful) opposition to Russian entry to the UN due to their repression of the Jews and aggression against Eastern Europe. Currently Russia is the only major country outside of the UN.
 
See? This is the problem with those goddamn Ruskys. I swear to God, it's like no matter how evil and incompetent they are there's always one idiot who believes their ridiculous claims about Air Defense Systems (Technology that I remind you, is the stuff of science fiction), city-sized underground bunkers (architecturally impossible with current technology, again, science fiction), and ridiculous claims that the free and liberal nation of Germany is a Russian puppet state, claims that anyone can easily debunk...

It's like no matter what there will always be defenders for the worst nations in the world. You know how the saying goes. First they go for the Jews, then the heretics, then the infidels, then then the Communists, then the trade unionists, then the foreigners, and then they go for you. They've ticked off three of those boxes already, you really think it's not going to get worse?

It will.

So whatever you believe won't matter when the entire country's a glowing, radioactive crater and the taint of theocracy has been wiped from the planet with our atomic squadrons.

As Curtis LeMay said, fifty years ago...

We should bomb Russia back to the stone age. I think this is one option where atomic weaponry will do the world a lot of good.

Hear, hear!
 
Are you imagining? Germany, which is currently the second largest economy in Europe, one of 4 permanent members of UN Security Council, and has a strong military, has never been a lackey of anyone. The Russians never got passed the Vistula during the whole war. They could not even subdue the Poles there and their armies were encircled and annihilated on the east bank.


Yeah, calling a religious dictatorship a liberalized state. Oh my god.

"There is nothing so despicable as a secret society that is based upon religious prejudice and that will attempt to defeat a man because of his religious beliefs. Such a society is like a cockroach — it thrives in the dark. So do those who combine for such an end" - William Howard Taft.
The quote was once again used by Britain's greatest statesman, the Liberal PM Jo Grimond in 1985 in his (successful) opposition to Russian entry to the UN due to their repression of the Jews and aggression against Eastern Europe. Currently Russia is the only major country outside of the UN.
You Know which Germany I'm talking about, Don't you?
Also, the UN security council now officially has five members since this may to account for India (for all those living in a cave)

When I say liberalized, look at the quotation marks.
 
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