DBWI: The Southern states secede instead of the North?

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When the US Supreme Court ruled in Lemmon v. New York, that states had no power to abolish slavery within their borders or emancipate slaves in transport, that was the straw that broke the camel's back, and began the process that led to all of the free states seceding from the United States and forming a new federal republic.

ooc: Did the Lemmon v. New York decision take place after Lincoln left office? In otl Lincoln appointed five justices, including one Chief Justice to the Supreme Court. Even with a southern controlled senate Lincoln will almost certainly change the balance in the Supreme Court enough to make the above Lemmon v. New York possible.
 
It was thanks to that descision to which the FRA owes its progressive judicial system of twelve justices presiding over our supreme court. We also managed to speed things up considerably by getting rid of the appelate and just putting the entire system under one agency.

As a card carrying member of the largest labor union in the world, the IWW, it is great to be in a country with national healthcare and mandated pensions. Did you antibellum folk even have your privately contracted, non-obligated electric companies roll out power to every corner of your great dixie? :rolleyes:


OOC: Those look interesting but I would think the FRA would use some colors that hark back to the revolutionary war in some form which isn't based on Bedsi Ross such as the Gulliford flag or George Roger Clark's. The former maybe a bit of a stretch for this scenario considering it originated in the Carolinas but the latter was for a Mid-Western regiment, which is perfectly appropo.;)
 
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ooc: Did the Lemmon v. New York decision take place after Lincoln left office? In otl Lincoln appointed five justices, including one Chief Justice to the Supreme Court. Even with a southern controlled senate Lincoln will almost certainly change the balance in the Supreme Court enough to make the above Lemmon v. New York possible.
OOC: Lemmon v. New York was in the New York court system for years. It had just been decided, in favor of the state (and thus emancipation) by the New York Court of Appeals (their court of last resort) in March of 1860. It could conceivably be on the US Supreme Court docket in 1861-2, which seems most likely. Lincoln wouldn't have a chance to change the court balance by the time it was decided.
 

OOC: What about this?

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OOC: Too French, with the Fleur de Lis, methinks.

In the event of no Freemen secession, there'd be probably be no bilateral cooperation between the *USA and the British Empire. I think part of the reason people think the Free States are a "British puppet" is because of the rapproachment between the two that never really happened with the United States.

So with less or no cooperation, what would we get? Do we still get the Third Anglo-American War of the 1880s? Does this *USA buddy up with France like OTL?
 
OOC: Too French, with the Fleur de Lis, methinks.

In the event of no Freemen secession, there'd be probably be no bilateral cooperation between the *USA and the British Empire. I think part of the reason people think the Free States are a "British puppet" is because of the rapproachment between the two that never really happened with the United States.

So with less or no cooperation, what would we get? Do we still get the Third Anglo-American War of the 1880s? Does this *USA buddy up with France like OTL?
Probably, the *USA ends up aligned with Germany, since Germany is Britain's biggest rival. Plus, in the modern era, the Free States have a very similar political culture to Germany. Hardworking, industrious and innovative, plus a strong collectivist commitment to socialist/social democratic governance. Perhaps due to heavy German immigration to the Free States. I don't see why this wouldn't have happened if the United States didn't fracture.
 
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