DBWI: The roman Republic does NOT survive to the present day

[Iñaki]

My God! No doubt that one thing clear that shows this thread is the fragility of our beloved republic along the history.

By luck the space travel has given to the Republic the stars and the planets and also all the traumas, and discordances have diminished with the new frontiers open to the humankind and the fact that the Republic gives the space travel to the humankind has been an important factor to rise the popularity of the republic.

But what if the Roman Republic had not get the space travel or had got the space travel far more late in the time?

Could be all this tensions without space travel had ended in a social uprising and a possible end of the republic?

 

[Superdude]

I doubt very much that the Inka´s are able to hold up to their threats. Their economy is weak and the insurgency at home has been growing.

Their weak economy is the third fastest growing in the world, after the Songhai and Persia.

And while this insurgency may be perceived as a threat, everyone also believed that Nippon could have kicked out China. Look where the Nipponese are now, a backwater province under the bootheel of a huge oppressive Chinese army.

 

[Fabilius]

Their weak economy is the third fastest growing in the world, after the Songhai and Persia.

And while this insurgency may be perceived as a threat, everyone also believed that Nippon could have kicked out China. Look where the Nipponese are now, a backwater province under the bootheel of a huge oppressive Chinese army.

It´s maybe the third fastest growing, but it´s insignificant compared to the republic´s. I mean seriously, we have colonies in outer space bigger than the Inkan economy.
I would say China is a threat to be reckoned with, along Persia maybe. But I doubt the Inkan´s have enough stability. Still, I might be wrong. After all, many hundred years ago noone believed China had a chance to modernize. We all know how that went. Sigh, if only we had colonised them...

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

But Consider...

It´s maybe the third fastest growing, but it´s insignificant compared to the republic´s. I mean seriously, we have colonies in outer space bigger than the Inkan economy.
I would say China is a threat to be reckoned with, along Persia maybe. But I doubt the Inkan´s have enough stability. Still, I might be wrong. After all, many hundred years ago noone believed China had a chance to modernize. We all know how that went. Sigh, if only we had colonised them...

Then again consider that throughout the twenties, certainly as late as 2722 AUC (1969 CE) to 2729 AUC (1976 CE) that the border conflicts between Chung-Kuo and the Roman Republic has certainly been heated. We certainly can remember the tension that existed when the Chung-Kuo forces bombed the Roman Embassy in Kyoto in 2752 AUC (1999 CE) after their little "police action" in the region. Personally, I am glad that we don't have to deal with the violent and savage ways of the Chung-Kuo on a regular basis...

 

[Fabilius]

Then again consider that throughout the twenties, certainly as late as 2722 AUC (1969 CE) to 2729 AUC (1976 CE) that the border conflicts between Chung-Kuo and the Roman Republic has certainly been heated. We certainly can remember the tension that existed when the Chung-Kuo forces bombed the Roman Embassy in Kyoto in 2752 AUC (1999 CE) after their little "police action" in the region. Personally, I am glad that we don't have to deal with the violent and savage ways of the Chung-Kuo on a regular basis...

Yeah. Well I was thinking about the 9th century. I mean in those days we had claimed the Urals, defeated the Mongols and explored the world. (We at least knew where all the continents were).

At that time China had merely invented gunpowder, and was using it to make fireworks. We had bloody cannons!!! We could have crushed them, if the damn pacifist isolationists had not been in power.

They didn´t even bring down the revolts in Persia, because they didn´t want an unpopular war.

Imagine Persia and China, India would´ve followed. A united earth!
It´s definitely not ASB, things could´ve gone that way.

 

[Douglas]

Yeah. Well I was thinking about the 9th century. I mean in those days we had claimed the Urals, defeated the Mongols and explored the world. (We at least knew where all the continents were).

At that time China had merely invented gunpowder, and was using it to make fireworks. We had bloody cannons!!! We could have crushed them, if the damn pacifist isolationists had not been in power.

They didn´t even bring down the revolts in Persia, because they didn´t want an unpopular war.

Imagine Persia and China, India would´ve followed. A united earth!
It´s definitely not ASB, things could´ve gone that way.

Surely you must mean the 17th century AUC...unless you're one of those annoying fundamentalist Yahweh-botherers...

 

[Gedca]

Yeah. Well I was thinking about the 9th century. I mean in those days we had claimed the Urals, defeated the Mongols and explored the world. (We at least knew where all the continents were).

At that time China had merely invented gunpowder, and was using it to make fireworks. We had bloody cannons!!! We could have crushed them, if the damn pacifist isolationists had not been in power.

They didn´t even bring down the revolts in Persia, because they didn´t want an unpopular war.

Imagine Persia and China, India would´ve followed. A united earth!
It´s definitely not ASB, things could´ve gone that way.

You got to consider the popular sentiment at the time though. The population had just gone through a decades of almost continuous war and huge compaigns to far away lands were well beyond what the population was willing to endure at the time. It is regrettable, but such huge wars as you are describing would almost certainly have caused the republic to collapse.

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

You got to consider the popular sentiment at the time though. The population had just gone through a decades of almost continuous war and huge compaigns to far away lands were well beyond what the population was willing to endure at the time. It is regrettable, but such huge wars as you are describing would almost certainly have caused the republic to collapse.

Call me a purist, but I certainly am doubtful about the nature of military occupation and provisions of law that were established in 2752 AUC (1999 CE), along with the Intersystem Criminal Court (ICC), along with the current threrat of the Imperial Fleet......

While we certainly remember what the Fleet did in Imperial Square in 2742 AUC (1989 CE) against protesters, I certainly can imagine insurgency causing problems....

 

[JP_Morgan]

My God! No doubt that one thing clear that shows this thread is the fragility of our beloved republic along the history.

By luck the space travel has given to the Republic the stars and the planets and also all the traumas, and discordances have diminished with the new frontiers open to the humankind and the fact that the Republic gives the space travel to the humankind has been an important factor to rise the popularity of the republic.

But what if the Roman Republic had not get the space travel or had got the space travel far more late in the time?

Could be all this tensions without space travel had ended in a social uprising and a possible end of the republic?

Maybe. The big combines' power is being submerged from public sight mostly with this whole space travel thing. But if you're referring to us possibly being overpopulated, then I'd have to say we possibly could have found a way to control it with out high standard of living. And there is certain competition with other countries in space on another note, though once again, the corporations have lessened that somwhat with all their mergers. We'd better wake up soon before they completely rule us.

Their weak economy is the third fastest growing in the world, after the Songhai and Persia.

And while this insurgency may be perceived as a threat, everyone also believed that Nippon could have kicked out China. Look where the Nipponese are now, a backwater province under the bootheel of a huge oppressive Chinese army.

Yes, but a lot of that is from investments, and if those go kaput, it would be very bad news indeed. They've held together ptretty good the westernpart of the southern Terra Nova continent, but at the same time should work more on diversifying their economy.

And I'll agree with you. The insurgency the Inka faces (is it that important what' right) is not as bad as the ones the Azteca has faced throughout it's years of domination of Central Nove Terra. Hell, there's still a big chance for them to collapse, it takes only aid by a foreign power for them to be overthrown by rebels, and would likely lose most of their empire nayway]

You got to consider the popular sentiment at the time though. The population had just gone through a decades of almost continuous war and huge compaigns to far away lands were well beyond what the population was willing to endure at the time. It is regrettable, but such huge wars as you are describing would almost certainly have caused the republic to collapse.

We lost Persia for the last time in 1353 CE, and the Chinese likely couldn't be conquered anyway because of long supply lines, and the Chinese having large amounts of men .Besides the founder of the Republic Nova had stated as a matter of policy that no more civilized peoples that differed significantly in culture were to be conquered

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

My God! No doubt that one thing clear that shows this thread is the fragility of our beloved republic along the history.

By luck the space travel has given to the Republic the stars and the planets and also all the traumas, and discordances have diminished with the new frontiers open to the humankind and the fact that the Republic gives the space travel to the humankind has been an important factor to rise the popularity of the republic.

But what if the Roman Republic had not get the space travel or had got the space travel far more late in the time?

Could be all this tensions without space travel had ended in a social uprising and a possible end of the republic?

Personally I find the reforms of 2664 AUC (1911CE) to be of greater importance to the Empire and its development. Just consider as late as 2603 AUC (1900CE) the Empire suffered massive corruption and suffered periodically from the whims of a mad dictator. Without these political reforms, consider that the rise of mad dictators Adolphius Germanicus (c.2676 AUC, 1923 CE) would have been comonplace, leading to the possible collapse of the Empire before 2734 AUC (1991CE)....

 

[fortyseven]

A. Germanicus. So sad. Imagine what would have happened if his paintings had gotten him into the Academy in Vindobona rather than narrowly rejected as in OTL, we'd have been saved from his insanity.

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

Consider This...

A. Germanicus. So sad. Imagine what would have happened if his paintings had gotten him into the Academy in Vindobona rather than narrowly rejected as in OTL, we'd have been saved from his insanity.

Well, something that may amuse some readers is the current conspiracy theory that is being spread which basically states that Adolphus Germanicus was placed into power in 2676 AUC (1923 CE) by a series of "foreign agents and Cristianii dissidents" to allow for the "just war" starting in 2692 AUC (1939 CE) that eventually allowed for the nations of Fusang, Nova Hesperia, Inka, and Tenochitlan to attack the Empire....

 

[tinfoil]

Well, something that may amuse some readers is the current conspiracy theory that is being spread which basically states that Adolphus Germanicus was placed into power in 2676 AUC (1923 CE) by a series of "foreign agents and Cristianii dissidents" to allow for the "just war" starting in 2692 AUC (1939 CE) that eventually allowed for the nations of Fusang, Nova Hesperia, Inka, and Tenochitlan to attack the Empire....

Isn't that the one where the followers of Garibaldus (you know, 'lets disband the Empire and return to the borders we had after the Second Punic War') subverted the last of the slaves into launching the ill-fated Final Spartican Revolt?

 

[Superdude]

It´s maybe the third fastest growing, but it´s insignificant compared to the republic´s. I mean seriously, we have colonies in outer space bigger than the Inkan economy.
I would say China is a threat to be reckoned with, along Persia maybe. But I doubt the Inkan´s have enough stability. Still, I might be wrong. After all, many hundred years ago noone believed China had a chance to modernize. We all know how that went. Sigh, if only we had colonised them...

Another interesting thing: The Inka control probably the largest landmass on Earth, with massive amounts of natural resources. I mean it controls all of southern Hesperia, controls those those island clusters (can't remember the name).

Soner or later its going to expand exponentially. I forgot to mention that its rate of growth has been increasing annually, unlike Songhai and Persia, which are decreasing.

 

[Iñaki]

Originally posted by Johnp
and the Chinese likely couldn't be conquered anyway because of long supply lines, and the Chinese having large amounts of men .

Hmm, Publius (strange thing happened me the last night I had a curious dream of an alternate timeline where there were a lot of countries in the world and Publius was not Publius was named John or something like this and lived in a country named United States, these things happens when you eats a lot of olives before going to bed or could be the Falerno wine + olives ), as I say Publius you think that is possible that in OTL the Chinese could manage to defeat Roman Republic in some point of the past and well after civil war and the fall of the republic?

Chinese saking of Rome?

 

[Wendell]

Another interesting thing: The Inka control probably the largest landmass on Earth, with massive amounts of natural resources. I mean it controls all of southern Hesperia, controls those those island clusters (can't remember the name).

Soner or later its going to expand exponentially. I forgot to mention that its rate of growth has been increasing annually, unlike Songhai and Persia, which are decreasing.

I disagree. Slavery will destroy the Inka before they can ever get close to the glory that has been experienced by Rome.

 

[JP_Morgan]

Hmm, Publius (strange thing happened me the last night I had a curious dream of an alternate timeline where there were a lot of countries in the world and Publius was not Publius was named John or something like this and lived in a country named United States, these things happens when you eats a lot of olives before going to bed or could be the Falerno wine + olives ), as I say Publius you think that is possible that in OTL the Chinese could manage to defeat Roman Republic in some point of the past and well after civil war and the fall of the republic?

Chinese saking of Rome?

Yes, this sounds like the time I recently consumed hallcinogenic mushrooms after playing a Rule Brittania! RPG game, whilst having recently acquired info of possible Gallic-Germanian-Aquitanian hybrid dialect-languages, and next thing I know, I see this country that's was Brittania, but speaks a language called "Anglish" or something like that. "Angle" isThe name of an ancient tribe in some peninsula area I don't know the name of.(I live east of Ulisses, in Lusitania) And next thing I know, I think I see a dragon attacking me! Good thing everything was protected with energy shields or I would have broken everything in the house!

The Chinese would likely suffer from the same supply problems as the Romans, like the First Roman-Chinese war (1153-1169) proved. And another bewtween the two powers wouldn't happen, oddly enough for the next 600 years.

Still, I guess the Chinese, unlike the Mongols, probably would have the capacity to break through the fortifications on the Ural River, and overrun Sarmatia. Sack Byzantium maybe. But Rome? It would required them to construct a fleet to really get close in a short amount of time to keep the Romans from counterrattacking. And they'd likely be rather vulnerble in that time. But with the help of the Cristiani, an attack in the 16th century seems somewhat less impossible, though not necessarily. Good thing the Chinese were more internally focused at the time. But there are possiblebutterflies in a 50-year span, around 1480-1530. Maybe an expert on Chinese history, could enlighten us further? There were some problems in Nippon is all I know

 

[Iñaki]

Originally posted by Johnp
Yes, this sounds like the time I recently consumed hallcinogenic mushrooms after playing a Rule Brittania! RPG game, whilst having recently acquired info of possible Gallic-Germanian-Aquitanian hybrid dialect-languages, and next thing I know, I see this country that's was Brittania, but speaks a language called "Anglish" or something like that. "Angle" isThe name of an ancient tribe in some peninsula area I don't know the name of.(I live east of Ulisses, in Lusitania) And next thing I know, I think I see a dragon attacking me! Good thing everything was protected with energy shields or I would have broken everything in the house!

Publius, is it possible than we are feeling real alternate universes? I know that this sounds like a speculation scientific novel of Aulus Causius (great classic novel "The man of the alternate Annals") well or could be more possible that your mushrooms and my olives are made in the same factory

 

[Fabilius]

But there are possiblebutterflies in a 50-year span, around 1480-1530. Maybe an expert on Chinese history, could enlighten us further? There were some problems in Nippon is all I know

How about Hendrykus?

Anyway. I think that the Republic should´ve logically collapsed after Adolphius Germanicus committed suicide.

And no, Adolphius is not connected to Yahwehites, or Christianites, he in fact despised them. A lot of Christianites joined forces with the Chinese against, and possibly caused him to lose the war.

Luckily General Gaulus became first consul and restored the republic. He also managed to negotiate good terms against the Terra Novans, and China. Imagine the world without General DeGaulus...

 

[JP_Morgan]

How about Hendrykus?

Anyway. I think that the Republic should´ve logically collapsed after Adolphius Germanicus committed suicide.

And no, Adolphius is not connected to Yahwehites, or Christianites, he in fact despised them. A lot of Christianites joined forces with the Chinese against, and possibly caused him to lose the war.

Luckily General Gaulus became first consul and restored the republic. He also managed to negotiate good terms against the Terra Novans, and China. Imagine the world without General DeGaulus...

That'll work. The Gallic it is. From theat little town in the north of Gaul.

And I know about that about Adolphus, the people who say he was connected to Christianites are basically paranoid conspiracy theorists.
After all, the new tanks at the time were pushing into Gansu, and were close to breaking the back of the Chinese army, if Adolphus hadn't yanked part of the army to India. The Cristanii in the Samarkand area managed to disrupt the flow of supplies besides destroying a few airfields in covert teams may well have done it.

And Superdude is overrating the Inkan economy. What comes up must come down. The housing market in the terraformed south will only go so far, before it may burst. Not to mention the many risky investments the Inka have made.

On a related note its' good that somebosy was smart enough in around the mid 19th century that terraforming the poles would f**k up the earth's climate, even

IñakiQuote:
Originally posted by Johnp
Yes, this sounds like the time I recently consumed hallcinogenic mushrooms after playing a Rule Brittania! RPG game, whilst having recently acquired info of possible Gallic-Germanian-Aquitanian hybrid dialect-languages, and next thing I know, I see this country that's was Brittania, but speaks a language called "Anglish" or something like that. "Angle" isThe name of an ancient tribe in some peninsula area I don't know the name of.(I live east of Ulisses, in Lusitania) And next thing I know, I think I see a dragon attacking me! Good thing everything was protected with energy shields or I would have broken everything in the house!


Publius, is it possible than we are feeling real alternate universes? I know that this sounds like a speculation scientific novel of Aulus Causius (great classic novel "The man of the alternate Annals") well or could be more possible that your mushrooms and my olives are made in the same factory

It wouldn't surprise me. There's a lot of hidden production factories in Karelia, and I think it's shipped from the Turkestan area. Yes, the productions of olives has been outsourced, which pisses off many people, but they're illegal in any case. The only ones that are legal are alcohol, cannabis, and some other weed. Gotta love that cannibis!

I have a hard time imagining what the world would be like if there was more
than a dozen major countries, not counting the little ones in Africa (the nations of the Shona, Songhai, and Zulu are recoginized as major countries,) nor the Polynesian nations not ruled by the Terra novans and the Chinese and indians

And this is starting to sound like that "Amerika" tabletop RPG game many of you play. Where Germania comes close to taking over Europe, but people like Winstonus and DeGaulus attempt to oppose the dictator Hetler(what an odd name). Please, no mention of Napoleonus, Mohammed or any of those people. I'm not some tabletop geek, so the constant mentions of these people have a way of getting on my nerves. There's maybe like 4 major analogues from various sources, but they're all really important. Just stick the REAL important people