DBWI: The reds won the Civil war

Well, thanks to Alexei II, the royalists managed to win over the Bolsheviks.

The Tsar was a great leader who was an excellent General and Statesman. He managed to make Russia great enough to face Germany and Hitler's murderous hordes in the Second Great War.

With his Help, Russia ensured that it could face down the Western powers in a cold war that is lasting to this day (Some russian historians call this the Third Great War)

But What if the Red Army won the Civil War? What if?
 
OOC: I'm afraid that's rather ASB. The threat of the USSR's rapid development was precisely what paved the way for Hitler to come to power. The business elite saw Hitler as the only bulwark against communist revolution. Without the USSR, I doubt Hitler would have ever made it to power.

Also, there is no way that Czar Alexei II could have industrialized Russia at anywhere near the level necessary to sucessfully fight a German mechanized offensive without resorting to the very same kinds of repressive measures and command economy that Stalin used. So either the Czar is a Stalinist autocrat that doesn't bother to drape the red flag over his tyranny or he'll be ill-equipped to face a modern, mechanized opponent in a total war.
 
The Reds would need someone to lead them. That's part of the reason they lost in the first place.Duzizbag just wasn't a good leader. In fact he was terrible.


Like I said, the Reds would need real Leadership to win, and even then the odds would be against them.
 
OOC: Alexei gets a bit of a head start here (assuming the CW ends the same time as OTL) and he could have developed the Empire fast enough.

But there was still Japan and the lethal Kwantung Army and Hitler still had that Mandate of Lebensraum in Mein Kampf.
 
OOC: Alexei gets a bit of a head start here (assuming the CW ends the same time as OTL) and he could have developed the Empire fast enough.

But there was still Japan and the lethal Kwantung Army and Hitler still had that Mandate of Lebensraum in Mein Kampf.

What we're saying here is not that Hitler wouldn't hate White Russia. Only that he wouldn't actually come to power without Red Russia, because there wouldn't be a red scare in Germany associated with the depression to nearly such an extent, likely meaning that Hindenburgian reaction would have looked less askance on the moderate SDP than the Nazis or something to that effect. I mean, Hitler's rise is such a string of unfortunate coincedences, having it constantly recurring in spite of a PoD in the early 20s smacks of determinism.
 
Well, if the Red's won, I don't think they would last too long, the human thing to do is to excel and work hard to earn their rewards and build upon that to use as capital to build up on and it just keeps going. Under Communism, everyone is equal and thus if forced upon the people, unless they come up with their own rewards system, people will pretend to work or just work enough to get by. You cannot have a country or society based on that so I think if Russia went Communist, it would fall by the 1930's or the 1950's at the latest under it's own weight and apathy. You might end up with a "Lord of the Flies" scenario where it could break up into various factions and infighting will start after that.
 
Well, thanks to Alexei II, the royalists managed to win over the Bolsheviks.

The Tsar was a great leader who was an excellent General and Statesman. He managed to make Russia great enough to face Germany and Hitler's murderous hordes in the Second Great War.

With his Help, Russia ensured that it could face down the Western powers in a cold war that is lasting to this day (Some russian historians call this the Third Great War)

But What if the Red Army won the Civil War? What if?
IC: The Reds winning the War of Northern Agression? They'd put the Negroes on top down here and deport us good white people up to Alaska! Oh mah goodness, Ah think Ah need a mint julep!

OOC: Not that Civil War - I'm just yankin' your chain!:D
 
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The Reds would need someone to lead them. That's part of the reason they lost in the first place.Duzizbag just wasn't a good leader. In fact he was terrible.


Like I said, the Reds would need real Leadership to win, and even then the odds would be against them.
Serious now: If V.I. Lenin had not been killed in that train horror in East Prussia, he could have led the Russian Reds to victory. IMO, we'd still have a cold war unto this very day, but Bolshevik troops would be in Dublin, London, Paris, Madrid and Lisbon. With Berlin and Rome being radioactive plains of green glass. Assuming FDR embarks on the Manhattan Project; undoubtedly the Reds would have sympathizers in the US Gov't that would pass the secrets to the Bolshevik Socialist Republic or whatever the Reds would rename it (Russia).
 
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