DBWI: The Reds win the Russian Civil War

The recent biopic about Admiral Kolchak's life has won most of the Academy Awards, including Best Movie, Best Scenario and Best Actor for Heath Ledger, and will therefore give a boost for interest about the Russian Civil War. Well, everyone speaks about the Whites and their courage, but who speak of Lenin's failed tentative to create a communist state in Europe?
 

yourworstnightmare

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Well, a failure is a failure. The Bolsheviks tried to impose a Proletarian Dictatorship without a proletariat, it was doomed from the sart. A movement with no popular support can never get the upper hand in a civil war.
 
I think the Reds could have won but they never could have held on to power. They had a small industrial base that could have become a core group that got them into power if they linked it up with the peasants and then started shooting people left and right but the Russian Orthodox Church and the outside world would have been against them. It is near ASB for them to win and hold on to power.
 
They planned indusrialisation didnt thay?

Would this maybe lead to a better russian show in World War Two?
 
Could they have done much better then smashing the German Army on the Ukrainian Plains? Really? They Germans didnt have a prayer invading Russia...
 

Nikephoros

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If Russia would have went communist, I could then see the right-wing in Germany opposing them (Russia) to gain power. Imagine if Hitler had actually managed to gain a majority... (shudders)
 

yourworstnightmare

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If Russia would have went communist, I could then see the right-wing in Germany opposing them (Russia) to gain power. Imagine if Hitler had actually managed to gain a majority... (shudders)

Hitler??? That moron never had a chance, but you're probably right about a authoritarian right wing government in Germany.
 
No Cold War obviously - Communist Russia and Communist America dominate the world...unless a Red victory in Russa butterflies away America's Communist revolution in 1931.

How about this for absurd: A capitalist America (maybe even the old 'United States of America' for laughs) and a Communist Russia square off.

Ridiculous - I know.

Mike
 
No Cold War obviously - Communist Russia and Communist America dominate the world...unless a Red victory in Russa butterflies away America's Communist revolution in 1931.

How about this for absurd: A capitalist America (maybe even the old 'United States of America' for laughs) and a Communist Russia square off.

Ridiculous - I know.

Mike

A Communist Russia would have been probably worse than the United States under the post-1931 government. I mean, America isn't really communist (at least not anymore); its socialist. IE, free elections, debating parties (even non socialist ones though they remain in the same economic system, and communist as said), votes, civil rights, what would be called a regulated capitalism with nationalization of major industries and resources, etc., etc.

But this was Russia; a people who have never had anything but a massive, tyrannical government and dedication to it. Even if the Commies did talk a big game, Lenin was hardly liberal or freedom loving, and I doubt anyone but maybe that Trotsky fellow would have managed to do it any good or keep it democratic. I mean, look what he did during his exile in Mexico. While not as democratic as the Post-'31 America, the People's Republic of Mexico wasn't horribly despotic.
 
Then again, maybe we'd get Premier Dzhugashvili! :eek:

Please. That guy was a low-grade hoodlum. Sure, he did pretty much run the whole Moscow underworld by the end of the 20s, but if he tried to climb into to the upper Communist echelons he would have been quickly outmanouvered by the politico types. He was not that badass, you know.:rolleyes:
 
Well, maybe we avoid the reign-of-terror that was Sternberg-Ungarn.

Then again, maybe we'd get Premier Dzhugashvili! :eek:

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Sternberg was really on teetering ground in the OTL anyway and the only thing that kept the mad Khan up in his Mongolia empire was Imperial Russian appeasement and Japanese support. The Communists hated him as much as he hated the communists, so he probably would have been knocked over soon if someone went after him strong enough. Then again, the commies would have had to been stable enough and militarily strong enough to go up against Sternberg successfully, even if he himself was the leader of an unstable, makeshift regime.
 
Please. That guy was a low-grade hoodlum. Sure, he did pretty much run the whole Moscow underworld by the end of the 20s, but if he tried to climb into to the upper Communist echelons he would have been quickly outmanouvered by the politico types. He was not that badass, you know.:rolleyes:

I don't know...there's a thin line between politico and underworld crime boss. Remember what came out about Vice President Luciano?
 
No Cold War obviously - Communist Russia and Communist America dominate the world...unless a Red victory in Russa butterflies away America's Communist revolution in 1931.

How about this for absurd: A capitalist America (maybe even the old 'United States of America' for laughs) and a Communist Russia square off.

Ridiculous - I know.

Mike

Damn, I always hate it when people think the USA will go Fascist or Communist. It won't! It has withstood a civil war, and there's no way in hell its going dictatorship
 
I wonder if it might have been Germany that provoked World War II, rather than Russia and Austria.

I always did think that the combination of Dolfuss and the Russian fascists was going to doom the world.
 
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