DBWI: The Napoleonic Wars American Theater

What if the United States had not allied themselves with their traditional ally France and stayed neutral, or maybe attacked Britain's North American possessions on their own? Would Prussia still have sent troops after the fall of Napoleon to aid Britain? Would the Louisiana Territory still be divided by Britain and Prussia? Would there be no one to check later Russian Expansion in the further North West?

Could Britain have won if not for Prussian help?

Would there still be the Indian Free State along the Great Lakes?

What do you think?
 
The War Hawks would have still pushed for war with Britain had the United States joined the war with France or not. The British were still, after all, impressing American sailors into the Navy and such. Now, would the government have listened to them? I really doubt the Americans would have been pushed to war with the British. Had they don it on their own, I could see the rest of the Coalition counting them as an enemy as well.
 
It would have been very difficult for the US to stay neutral; the British were openly attacking any neutral shipping headed for the Continent, and the US had to resist in some form. If the British were less hardline in their conduct of the war, maybe some compromise could have been worked out. Maybe somehow avert Hoche's Ride? There are any number of simple PODs that could do that.

If the US stays out, the Indians within US territory will be steadily crushed. Louisiana would remain part of the US, though if something like the OTL Nativists come to power there will be likely be substantial unrest and repression of French culture there.

If Prussia had stayed out, the British victory would still have won. The British won by destroying US international trade and letting US internal divisions take care of the rest, while picking bits off the edges with small forces. They might have been able to spare fewer troops for the job without the Prussians, but they would have won eventually.
 
If America stays out of the war and keeps the Louisianan Territory it may have slowed the American industrial revolution. With all of that farm land most of the factory workers would have farms of their own.
 
OOC: The Prussians used the American alliance with France as an excuse to offer Britain help in the war in North America, hoping to gain some colonies out of it?

OOC: Except you said (a) it was after the fall of Napoleon, and (b) already said "the United States had not allied themselves with... France".
 
No doubt the prussians were world champions at swimming across the Atlantic ocean ! :rolleyes:

Because since they had no significant Navy around 1800, I wonder how they could have sent an army in America.
 
No doubt the prussians were world champions at swimming across the Atlantic ocean ! :rolleyes:

Because since they had no significant Navy around 1800, I wonder how they could have sent an army in America.

The same way the Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel sent his troops over in the Revolutionary War, I'd wager. It worked well enough that time.
 
Sort but I don't think you work end it enough since Friedrich II of Hesse-Cassel utterly depended on the british Navy and then on the British will. So I maintain you are in a dead-end. The minute Prussia becomes a rival of the UK, the British government cuts sea acces to Prussia and the game is over.
 
Sort but I don't think you work end it enough since Friedrich II of Hesse-Cassel utterly depended on the british Navy and then on the British will. So I maintain you are in a dead-end. The minute Prussia becomes a rival of the UK, the British government cuts sea acces to Prussia and the game is over.

Yes. Small countries play colonialism that way. The Welser colony in Venezuela depended on Spanish goodwill, the Prussian possessions in Africa were dependent on the Dutch for most of their shipping, and Denmark, Belgium and Germany in the nineteenth century knew they would lose their colonies in the event of a war with any real naval power. It can still be economically be worth it, and not everyone can be Britain or France.
 
More to the point, New Orleans is the entire reason for having Louisiana at this point. Prussia might be able to eke out a colonial concession somewhere, but it's not going to be getting the better half of Louisiana.
 
The British need allies on the european continent to preserve the balance of powers on the continent.

But I just can't imagine how a british government would introduce a new european power on the north american continent while Britain's goal had always been to expel any rival power in the colonial world.

Sorry, but to my opinion it is just impossible. This was not a ffair competition world but a mercantilist/monopolistic/imperialist world. Winner takes all.
 
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