DBWI: The Germans don't kill George VI

[Peppe]

So, it has been nearly 80 years since King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, parent's of the current Queen Elizabeth, were killed in the Blitz, when the Luftwaffe bombed Buckingham Palace and they died a day after from the injuries. Now, what if the bombs didn't hit their wing of the palace or the germans hadn't bombed Buckingham? Would Britain have had that righteous fury that sustained it through the rest of the war? How would have The Queen have grown if her parent's hadn't died in 1940?

 

[Merrick]

(OOC) Umm... George IV of the United Kingdom died in 1830 (OTL). Is this a particularly deep POD or did you mean George VI?

 

[Peppe]

(OOC) Umm... George IV of the United Kingdom died in 1830 (OTL). Is this a particularly deep POD or did you mean George VI?

VI, I just wrote wrong

 

[James Ricker]

The British would not have been as hell bent on revenge against the Germans.

 

[Gukpard]

So, it has been nearly 80 years since King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, parent's of the current Queen Elizabeth, were killed in the Blitz, when the Luftwaffe bombed Buckingham Palace and they died a day after from the injuries. Now, what if the bombs didn't hit their wing of the palace or the germans hadn't bombed Buckingham? Would Britain have had that righteous fury that sustained it through the rest of the war? How would have The Queen have grown if her parent's hadn't died in 1940?

Well, the interesting part of that is that this allowed Elizabeth II to be in power since 1940, she have been ruling for 80 years, that is already the longest reign in history, heck, some people who were born after she was crowned already died by old age.

 

[Peppe]

Do you think if her parents hadn't died in the war the queen would have been as interested in the military (she made all her children serve either on the Army or the Navy after all), and would we have all those memes of how she controls the government behind the curtains due to being the "most senior politician in Britain"?

Also, would the British be as obsessed on getting Hitler alive if they didn't have the bloodthirsty desire to see him be executed on public square?

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

There may have been no Bomber Decree in retaliation to the Commando Order.

 

[KaiserWilhelm]

People are forgetting that it nearly knocked the British out of the war. Churchill had to resign for a year or so, it was just after Hitler spurned Halifax’s efforts for a peace deal that the British people were really enraged. The delays suffered under Halifax and Attlee allowed the Germans to knock out the Soviets. The British rage culminated in the nuking of Berlin, but it did not begin with the death of George

 

[Peppe]

People are forgetting that it nearly knocked the British out of the war. Churchill had to resign for a year or so, it was just after Hitler spurned Halifax’s efforts for a peace deal that the British people were really enraged. The delays suffered under Halifax and Attlee allowed the Germans to knock out the Soviets. The British rage culminated in the nuking of Berlin, but it did not begin with the death of George

I think it was more that the rage was already there and that Halifax trying to make peace with the Germans that cause it to boil over, they killed the king and the guy tried to make peace with them! By the time he was ousted London was basically at the brink of marching into Westminster and deposing him (Even Mosley was against them after the regicide, and he was a fascist), I still don't know how it took until 1942 for Churchill to regain the Prime Ministry (and if he had in fact managed to get a peace, I sincerely think he would have been deposed in a coup, by whom, I don't know, but even the Queen denied going to his funeral, so that says something)

OOC: Why would they ask for peace, wouldn't the murder of the king be basically a literal "point of no return" and cause the continuation of the war to be a non-negotiable?

 

[KaiserWilhelm]

I think it was more that the rage was already there and that Halifax trying to make peace with the Germans that cause it to boil over, they killed the king and the guy tried to make peace with them! By the time he was ousted London was basically at the brink of marching into Westminster and deposing him (Even Mosley was against them after the regicide, and he was a fascist), I still don't know how it took until 1942 for Churchill to regain the Prime Ministry (and if he had in fact managed to get a peace, I sincerely think he would have been deposed in a coup, by whom, I don't know, but even the Queen denied going to his funeral, so that says something)

OOC: Why would they ask for peace, wouldn't the murder of the king be basically a literal "point of no return" and cause the continuation of the war to be a non-negotiable?

It had a demoralizing effect, basically

 

[Pelranius]

The ex Kaiser Wilhelm II* wouldn't be arrested on his sickbed in Doorn for distributing letters attacking the Third Reich for George's death.

*Along with the rest of most of his extended family.

 

[Dolan]

The Queen E

The ex Kaiser Wilhelm II* wouldn't be arrested on his sickbed in Doorn for distributing letters attacking the Third Reich for George's death.

*Along with the rest of most of his extended family.

Yeah, The Last Kaiser was executed by The Nazis for sympathizing with Britain, but the two martyred Monarchs are what made Prince Louis Ferdinand being invited to become The King of Germany after the War. Not Kaiser though.

Also The British Tradition of maintaining fully functional latest generation anti-aircraft defensive guns / missile turrets all around London, apparently on The Queen's insistence.

 

[Pelranius]

The Queen E

Yeah, The Last Kaiser was executed by The Nazis for sympathizing with Britain, but the two martyred Monarchs are what made Prince Louis Ferdinand being invited to become The King of Germany after the War. Not Kaiser though.

Also The British Tradition of maintaining fully functional latest generation anti-aircraft defensive guns / missile turrets all around London, apparently on The Queen's insistence.

Yeah, who could forget Louis Ferdinand stealing a plane and flying straight for merry old England upon hearing of his grandfather's arrest.

I'm kind of surprised the Nazis played up executing an 82 year old man, but that's National Socialism for you.

 

[AltoRegnant]

Constitutional monarchy probably wouldn't be seen as good for maintaining democracy ttl. The Italian referendum on the issue was pretty close, for instance.

In turn this might weaken Britain- officially they decolonized, in practice most of the colonies follow London's lead because of the Queen working to maintain a lot of soft power over them

 

[Resurgam]

The British rage culminated in the nuking of Berlin, but it did not begin with the death of George

OOC: Wait, are you saying the British got the bomb first or implying that the Reich lasting a little bit longer led to the US sticking with the original plan for nuclear weapons?

 

[Peppe]

The Nazis did manage to do something with killing Wilhelm II and sending over half of the Hohenzollerns to the camps (about a third of them survived in the end), they incensed both the German nobility and most of european royalty allied with them into switching sides (there's a reason why most of the old Axis remains monarchist, and its not simply because of Britain being the one responsible for defeating them).

Maybe if they hadn't done that Germany would be a very different place, would we have a republic instead of the German Federation? A president instead of the Hohenzollern High Kings?

 

[Deleted member 94680]

OOC: Why would they ask for peace, wouldn't the murder of the king be basically a literal "point of no return" and cause the continuation of the war to be a non-negotiable?

OOC: Because every WWII PoD requires Britain to do worse, no matter if it appears to imply they will do better.

 

[Pelranius]

The Nazis did manage to do something with killing Wilhelm II and sending over half of the Hohenzollerns to the camps (about a third of them survived in the end), they incensed both the German nobility and most of european royalty allied with them into switching sides (there's a reason why most of the old Axis remains monarchist, and its not simply because of Britain being the one responsible for defeating them).

Maybe if they hadn't done that Germany would be a very different place, would we have a republic instead of the German Federation? A president instead of the Hohenzollern High Kings?

They gave Wilhelm II a firing squad (had to wheel him in and leave him in his wheelchair).

That pretty much encapsulates Nazism: glorifying sadism for the sadism's sake.

 

[Dolan]

Maybe if they hadn't done that Germany would be a very different place, would we have a republic instead of the German Federation? A president instead of the Hohenzollern High Kings?

German Republicanism is pretty much equated with Nazis, and the office of "President" or "Fuhrer" is pretty much synonymous with Adolf Hitler.

If the Hohrnzollerns didn't become the High Kings, or deemed to have enough baggage from WWI, they'll just split up Germany into regional Kingdoms.

Plus Italy pretty much descended into Civil War immediately after Nazi execution of their ex-kaiser becomes known as the King tries to preemptively coup Mussolini before the later could do the same to his family. It went really really wrong but the Royalists win in the end.

 

[Peppe]

Also The British Tradition of maintaining fully functional latest generation anti-aircraft defensive guns / missile turrets all around London, apparently on The Queen's insistence.

A we mustn't forget the order that there must be a bomb shelter on every street (or that most large residences have bunkers bellow them). I sincerely think one day the British will simply become mole-men with how much underground buildings they have

Plus Italy pretty much descended into Civil War immediately after Nazi execution of their ex-kaiser becomes known as the King tries to preemptively coup Mussolini before the later could do the same to his family. It went really really wrong but the Royalists win in the end.

How much of the Savoys managed to escape after Mussolini turned the tables during the coup? I know the current king survived with a shot in the arm (and was under his aunt' regency since both his father and grandfather didn't make it), but outside of him and the Princess Regent I don't remember whom else. Romania did manage to use the Italian catastrophe as a cautionary tale when they had their own royal coup though (reason why Antonescu got a bullet in the brain while sleeping)