DBWI: Successful invasion of Poland

Italy lost the Balkan Liberation War (as Greeks call it), being driven from Serbia and Albania, and was soon forced to pull out of Egypt and Libya.
OOC: In the older posts i said that Italy managed to integrate Lybia


Then, Italian fascism collapsed to the Carnation Revolution, which sparked a wave of democracy in Europe, toppling authoritarian regimes from Spain and Portugal to Austria, Hungary, Romania, and ironically, Greece and Turkey
I wouldn't call the new italian government "democratic" considering they are still pushing the whole "italianisation" BS on their remainig balkan territories or the fact the military regime in Albania has a lot of italian weapons for some reason
And don't even get me started over the chaos in the balkans...
 
Well, you know how it works. When it's China trying to push the Europeans out of their concessions (that they are still clinging to) through funding armed groups, China will be labeled a "rogue state". But when Italy tries to maintain her (post-)colonial control over Albania through underhanded means, then, it's okay (because it's a white Western country and Albania is "backwards").
 
Well, you know how it works. When it's China trying to push the Europeans out of their concessions (that they are still clinging to) through funding armed groups, China will be labeled a "rogue state". But when Italy tries to maintain her (post-)colonial control over Albania through underhanded means, then, it's okay (because it's a white Western country and Albania is "backwards").
To be fair, at least Italy is a united country while China has been been divided between various warlords for decades now( and the on-going conflict with Japan doesn't help)
Also it's not like America is innocent in this regard since the Brazilian Revolution
 
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Yeah, it is ironic that Hitler's actions have caused the birth of Czech nationalism
Visited the Sudetenland last year, the people there all have obviously German surnames but no one, especially the older folks, will admit to knowing a single word of German (though people in Prague complained about how badly the formerly Sudeten Germans speak Czech).
 
After reading this, i am hardly surprised that he got overtrown in 1943
Seriously the guy had some serious problem

Since you mentioned it, the Soviets conquering Eastern Poland would be s huge political win for Stalin. This would have huge repercussions. If Zhukov doesn't take over in 43 and return all power to the Soviets, the USSR might not democratise as it did IOTL.
 
Do you think that a surviving nazi germany would be allowed to join Italy's pact of steel togheter with Spain and other fascist powers?
I mean Italo Balbo never tried to hide his hate for Hitler's anti-semitism but maybe he could have still supported Germany for pragmatic reasons

Many have always wondered about Mussolini's air crash and death.. Some have wondered if Balbo and his knowledge of aviation and connections within the Italian Air Force could have had a hand in the crash.
 
What would be the consequence of a successful invasion?
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Visited the Sudetenland last year, the people there all have obviously German surnames but no one, especially the older folks, will admit to knowing a single word of German (though people in Prague complained about how badly the formerly Sudeten Germans speak Czech).
Well it is normal when you consider that after the war, the Czech government basically banned the german language and arrested anyone who dared to identify himself as german
To be fair after what Himmler did to Czechoslovakia, this reaction was kinda normal
would have huge repercussions. If Zhukov doesn't take over in 43 and return all power to the Soviets, the USSR might not democratise as it did IOTL.
Yeah, Stalin screwed himself when he started the second Great Purge
Without it i doubt that Zuckov and Nikolaj Ežov would have allied to save their own skins ( especially because Ežov didn't want to be arrested again)
Also let's be honest: Trotsky cryng actual tears of joy when he was allowed to come back to the URSS is probably one of the best example of propaganda of the 20th century
Many have always wondered about Mussolini's air crash and death..
To be fair after his failure in Etiopia the real question is to find someone who DIDN'T want him dead.
Is this a shot from one of the old italian movies?
You know the ones where it is stressed out the cruelty of the nazis compared to the bravery of the italian and austrian fascists
 
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Okay, let's settle down this once at for all.

Hitler was an absolute madman.

He attacked Poland, the fifth strongest army in Europe, not only that, he attacked a country protected by Great Britain, the largest naval power in the world with a formidable air force and France with the largest army in Europe and protected by the line Maginot and the Ardennes.

That, the Italian tradition of changing sides, the centuries-old Hungarian-Polish alliance, the Czech uprising and the waste of resources by imprisoning the Jews in the camps.

Germany vs Poland, Great Britain, France, Italy, Hungary and the Czech rebels, only an incredibly stupid man like Hitler could have thought he could have won.

Even with the loss of territories, the virtual total exodus of its Jewish population and an economic crisis that lasted 5 more years, Germany can consider itself fortunate that the reign of that deranged ended before causing greater damage.

Note: The original map belongs to mapsbyzaius on deviantart.com all credits to him
 
Hungary was really tempted to side with Germany... But then, at Munich, Hitler promised to respect the independence of Czechslovakia before reneging on this promise (while seducing the Poles and offering them Teschen)... and then he declared war on the Poles, months after pretending to be their friends. Horthy knew that if Hitler got his way, Hungary would be a satellite at very best, and might even find itself invaded later if Hitler decided it. Not to mention, Horthy had seen Hungary losing a war against the Entente and didn't want a repeat.
 
Hungary was really tempted to side with Germany... But then, at Munich, Hitler promised to respect the independence of Czechslovakia before reneging on this promise (while seducing the Poles and offering them Teschen)... and then he declared war on the Poles, months after pretending to be their friends. Horthy knew that if Hitler got his way, Hungary would be a satellite at very best, and might even find itself invaded later if Hitler decided it. Not to mention, Horthy had seen Hungary losing a war against the Entente and didn't want a repeat.

Also, Horthy wouldn't sacrifice centuries of friendship between Poland and Hungary for the crazy delusions of a failed Austrian painter.
 
the virtual total exodus of its Jewish population
Well, it happens when you replace an antisemitic government with an other less expansionistic antisemitic government (granted the post-hitler military junta didn't activelly persecute jews but they didn't protect them either)
Germany can consider itself fortunate that the reign of that deranged ended before causing greater damage.
I mean there are political parties in germany who still workship Hitler and want to found the Fifth Reich so i would wait before saying that
 
Well, it happens when you replace an antisemitic government with an other less expansionistic antisemitic government (granted the post-hitler military junta didn't activelly persecute jews but they didn't protect them either)

I mean there are political parties in germany who still workship Hitler and want to found the Fifth Reich so i would wait before saying that

You're absolutelt right, no wonder why Germany has still a very very low Jewish population to this day.
 
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