DBWI: Spot the differences between this map and our map of Europe

Where was it stated that the POD was in 1769? I didn't see any such indication in the original post, though I suspect I might have missed it.

OOC: There was no specific POD so I just went with it. It seemed like a good idea at the time, really, especially as a way to help keep things more solidified and along the lines of an actual DBWI.

No Occitania, no Frisia, no independent Sardinia, no Sapmi Country, "Russia" in OTL Mordovia...

IC: The Occitanian & Sami secession movements never really took off IOTL, though, and I assume their causes were butterflied here. Also, it's true that a lot of people in Mordovia & certain other places were not happy about Socialism coming to Russia IOTL, but one has to admit the rebels did some pretty nasty things in the mid '90s(like those apartment bombings in Saransk in 1996 which killed several hundred people); as much as some, particularly anti-Soc types, want to recognize Mordovia as an actual independent country.

There's no way they could push the german border that far, and an independent Moldova too? This is basically ASB.

Moldova is an independent country IOTL, though.(as much as some Russian Imperialist exiles wish it hadn't ever been; ironically, though, nobody in Romania cares much at all these days.....)

OOC: See post #3.


By the way, what is the language of ATL Austria?

IC: German, just like OTL(with a small Slovene-speaking minority). And similar to the Bavarian dialect, yes, also as in OTL.....(but IOTL, many Bavarians north of the "Munich Line" feel rather closer to Czechia and France than Austria these days.....)
 

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OOC: There was no specific POD so I just went with it. It seemed like a good idea at the time, really, especially as a way to help keep things more solidified and along the lines of an actual DBWI.
OOC: According to CalBear, a DBWI can't have a set POD or it becomes an RP
 

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OOC: I've never heard this before and I've been here since 2010.....assuming this was actually true, this must have been a recent change.
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DBWI don't have POD. That is the entire point. The OP also doesn't really have any influence on the scenario outside of the WI itself.

Again, a DBWI is taking what actually happened and treating it like a WI.
It is NOT a DBWI. Just the fact that there is a POD and the need for OOC demonstrates that it isn't a DBWI.
 
How'd I not spot this sooner: Switzerland lost Savoy! No more port of Genova -- guess they can beg Germany for transit down the Rhine...
 
Several points that everyone else has missed for some reason.

1.) I'm curious how you get to those borders for Poland. I'm assuming that that all those countries between "Germany" and Russia are in some sort of confederation, but still its hard to get Poland to come out with exactly those borders. I think the Kingdom of Poland last had them in the eleventh century.

2.) There is a general question of whether these are unified, centralized states or confederations of some sort. For example, Austria is obviously a lot smaller. This can be do to some bad military defeat, or a process of converting the Hapsburg lands into some sort of confederation but its hard to tell if either or both happened. "Germany" must be an all purpose label to avoid having to show all those minor principalities.

3.) Everyone missed the united Italy, which somehow swallowed the Papal States. By the way, the map shows Andorra and similar statelets but not Avignon, I assume this is an oversight.

4.) The Turks are an ethno-linguistic group that stretches across Asia, and while the House of Osman is Turkish and Turkish is the main language of the Ottoman Empire, I just don't see any successor state of the Ottoman Empire calling itself "Turkey". Incidentally, with a weaker or broken up Austria and Russia the Ottomans should do OK, unlike in IOTL.
 
I'm sorry, I just figured out the POD now. Its obviously a major French, or more properly Franco-Austrian, victory in the War of the Bavarian Succession.

So that is how you get Prussia to just disappear off the map, and probably all those small countries in central Europe are under some sort of Hapsburg control. "Belgium" is probably just the Austrian Netherlands, just renamed, though I'm not sure how they came up with that name.

I'm still not sure what happened with Italy. My guess is that when re-arranging the map of Europe, the Hapsburgs and the Bourbons agreed to a Bourbon kingdom of Italy, maybe under the Sicilian Bourbons, and in addition to Italy being a French satellite the French Bourbons swallowed Avignon. Its hard to see on that scale, but they seem to have taken some territory off of Savoy as well.
 
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