DBWI: Spot the differences between this map and our map of Europe

europe-map-political.jpg

One major difference, of course, is the lack of the Free City of Constantinople.
 
Hmm.....this map reminds me of that certain very famous TL from about 20 years ago.

In any case, I spotted(and remembered, really) a number of interesting things here.

1.)Polish Silesia + Pomerania is one of the most obvious differences, apart from Turkey still having Constantinople.

2.)Why doesn't Moldova have the Ismail region ITTL?

3.)No Arctic coastline for Finland.

4.)Great Britain still has Northern Ireland.

5.)All of Transylvania going to Romania was an interesting choice, though I wouldn't have done that.

6.)Don't forget that socialism only recently came to Russia in 1993 IOTL, btw. ITTL, it came in 1917, and ended in 1991. Also, Belarus + the Ukraine are part of the U.S.C.R. IOTL.

7.)No Sardinian Split unlike in OTL.

8.)Bosnia is still an independent nation ITTL, whereas it was split between Croatia + Serbia in 1979 IOTL, after our world's Balkan War.

9.)I never got why Liechtenstein ever became a thing ITTL. It's part of Austria in our reality, and has been for a long while.

10.)Not in Europe, per se, but it does relate to Turkey, so it counts as far as this map is concerned: *Syria is rather larger than in OTL. Apart from the Latakian Coast(actually part of Greece IOTL), much of this land is Turkish IOTL(much to the chagrin of the Kurdish people, though).
 
Last edited:
Wow, no United Kingdom of Scandinavia. This map shows a timeline that is definitely a Sweden-screw. Now I want to see a map of North America to see if they ever got their colonies in TTL or not!
 
Excluding Europe what happened to the Levant?
And why is part of Kurdistan in Iraq not Iran. Come to think of it why are none of the communionist states grouped into their respective unions (Union of European Republics, Union of Caspian Republics, etc)?
 
"Belgium" == unified Flanders and Wallonia ?

Sea of Azov not dried up

OOC: Why would the Sea of Azov dry up? That makes no sense, TBH, as it's not landlocked like the Aral.

Wow, no United Kingdom of Scandinavia. This map shows a timeline that is definitely a Sweden-screw. Now I want to see a map of North America to see if they ever got their colonies in TTL or not!

POD for this TL was in 1769, IIRC, so they never got anything after New Sweden was annexed(nor would they have had the chance to build anything new in mainland N. America, anyway). Sweden occupied a couple of France's Caribbean islands during the French Revolutionary War IOTL, and held them for a for a while(up until 1825, anyway), but that was butterflied ITTL. Also, though, don't forget that Scandinavia is a relatively modern creation(created in 1975, in fact), and only came about through select circumstances.

Excluding Europe what happened to the Levant?
And why is part of Kurdistan in Iraq not Iran. Come to think of it why are none of the communionist states grouped into their respective unions (Union of European Republics, Union of Caspian Republics, etc)?

You mean the European Union, right? The Federation of European Republics only existed as a stop gap between 1990 and Feb. 1993 IOTL just prior to the end of the Cold War, and the fall of the Russian Empire. Also, the Union of Caspian Republics was very short lived in reality, having been disbanded in 1992 IOTL after just three years of existence.(the government of Turkestan really wants to bring it back, but that wouldn't sit well with the Soviets)

As for eastern Kurdistan not being part of Iran, I can't recall why that was done, I'm afraid.
 
[ IIRC, in OTL there were vague plans to dam the straits, hoping to make the sea deeper, but studies showed this might actually silt much of it up ]

OOC: Well, okay then.....although that still wouldn't be quite the same as what happened to the Aral, though, as it wouldn't be virtually entirely dried out like the Aral was.

Why is part of east Prussia Russian? Also what kind of person screws both Germany and Russia? Who made this?

Yeah, I wonder if they forgot the P there. An unfortunate and confusing typo, if so...

Prussia hasn't existed as an independent nation since 1872 IOTL, though. And the reason why part of East Prussia is Russian has to do with that TL's World War II, btw.
 

Deleted member 97083

What's "Hungary"? Some edgy name for Pannonia that tried to liken it to the Huns?
 
OOC: Why would the Sea of Azov dry up? That makes no sense, TBH, as it's not landlocked like the Aral.



POD for this TL was in 1769, IIRC, so they never got anything after New Sweden was annexed(nor would they have had the chance to build anything new in mainland N. America, anyway). Sweden occupied a couple of France's Caribbean islands during the French Revolutionary War IOTL, and held them for a for a while(up until 1825, anyway), but that was butterflied ITTL. Also, though, don't forget that Scandinavia is a relatively modern creation(created in 1975, in fact), and only came about through select circumstances.

Yes, I know that the United Kingdom of Scandinavia was a relatively recent creation - the Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Denmark were all officially independent but they were also ruled by the King of Sweden. The Union of Scandinavia in 1975 only formalized matters which had been facts on the ground since the later 19th century.

Where was it stated that the POD was in 1769? I didn't see any such indication in the original post, though I suspect I might have missed it.
 

Deleted member 97083

POD for this TL was in 1769, IIRC, so they never got anything after New Sweden was annexed(nor would they have had the chance to build anything new in mainland N. America, anyway). Sweden occupied a couple of France's Caribbean islands during the French Revolutionary War IOTL, and held them for a for a while(up until 1825, anyway), but that was butterflied ITTL. Also, though, don't forget that Scandinavia is a relatively modern creation(created in 1975, in fact), and only came about through select circumstances.
Where was it stated that the POD was in 1769? I didn't see any such indication in the original post, though I suspect I might have missed it.
Are you sure the POD wasn't back during Caesar's Gallic Wars? How else would the Belgae tribe retain their independence, even calling themselves by the Latin name Belgium?
 
Prussia hasn't existed as an independent nation since 1872 IOTL, though. And the reason why part of East Prussia is Russian has to do with that TL's World War II, btw.
What kind of ridiculous crap is world war 2? How could a war actually encompass the entire world? Sounds asb.
As for Prussia not existing sorry but I'm of the opinion that since saxony went onto not only take Hohenzollern land but also adopt much of their institutions that "greater saxony" was effectively little more than a change of dynasty for Prussia
 
No Occitania, no Frisia, no independent Sardinia, no Sapmi Country, no Wales, no Saxony "Russia" in OTL Mordovia, OTL Ruthenia dividee into two states, a smaller and almost unrecogbizable Prussia, the whole Transylvania as part of ATL Romania, those weird borders in thr Haemus peninsula north of ATL Greece...

Wait a second, why the ATL Austria tadpole-shaped? The "tail" is actually the principal part of Rhaetia OTL. By the way, what is the language of ATL Austria?
 
Last edited:
Given that they're called "Austria" a clear reference to Austrasia, they probably speak Frankish or a transplanted Gallo-Roman dialect.
Perharps related to the dialects in the southern Germany, particularly Bavaria, in the case of former?

Come to think of it, if the Ugric (linguistic) ancestors of Austrians never joined the Avars in their alliance....
 
Top