DBWI: Spanish Mexico and British Canadá?

[The_Russian]

Well, if we assume that by some measure the Spainish manage to seize Mexica around the same time as they landed in the north IOTL, it would have netted them boatloads of gold during the critical years of the Turco-Hapsburg naval wars over control of North Africa and the central Medditeranian. If they had access to that capital (as opposed to the trickle of silver from the Peruvian Silver Train, which they either ended up dumping into China and having to ship practically around the world or lose 3/4 of it to pirates, ice flows, storms, and sinkings on the Terra del Diablo Fuego route), they might have been able to afford a fleet that could effectively contest that of the Ottoman Sultans and his Maghrebi clients, or support thePortuguese in their attempts to crack into the Swahili-Ottoman-Hindustani dominated Indian Ocean trade networks to the Spice Isles. That could have some real knock-on effects in terms of keeping the Medd as a viable outlet for Christian commerce, the economic survival of the Italian city-states, and the colonial fates of East Africa and East Asia. Would we see European empires in Swahililand, Somaliland,central Africa The Indian subcontinent, or the East Indies like they eventually created in South and West Africa and the Americas?

Well this means that Spain probably is more influential in the rest of the world due to having more recourses. The scramble over Asia and Africa probably would have gone differently. If you have a weaker Britain this could lead to a French victory in the nepolionic wars and getting France to be more influential while making Britain and Russia less influential.

 

[FillyofDelphi]

Well this means that Spain probably is more influential in the rest of the world due to having more recourses. The scramble over Asia and Africa probably would have gone differently. If you have a weaker Britain this could lead to a French victory in the nepolionic wars and getting France to be more influential while making Britain and Russia less influential.

Nepolionic Wars? But France DID win the struggle over the Nepolic States/southern Continental Italia. Logistically it really was a bridge too far for the Ottomans to try to establish itself on mainland Europe (Though the Sicilian Vilyet did become quite a crown jewel... have you actually tasted one of their genuine Orange frappe? I can see why the Ottomans insisted on making that island such a fruit orchard). But yes; you d likely end up with a stronger Spain and weaker Britain. Canada was hardly worth much for Iberia; all she really had to offer up was furs, and how much of a market is there for heavy cloths along the balmy shore of Southern Europe?

 

[The_Russian]

Nepolionic Wars? But France DID win the struggle over the Nepolic States/southern Continental Italia. Logistically it really was a bridge too far for the Ottomans to try to establish itself on mainland Europe (Though the Sicilian Vilyet did become quite a crown jewel... have you actually tasted one of their genuine Orange frappe? I can see why the Ottomans insisted on making that island such a fruit orchard). But yes; you d likely end up with a stronger Spain and weaker Britain. Canada was hardly worth much for Iberia; all she really had to offer up was furs, and how much of a market is there for heavy cloths along the balmy shore of Southern Europe?

Sorry, I was mixing up the napolionic wars and the wars fought by Napoleon Bonaparte. The ‘bonaparte wars’ were a couple small wars launched by a French dictator in the early 19th century which were all crushed quickly by Russia and Britain, but in harry turteldove’s novel ‘Waterloo’ it talks about a world where Napoleon is successful (a threat that was all too real in Europe at that time.) Well what most people forget is that Spain traded theirs furs with Northern Europeans, the Germans, and Scandinavians payed good money for those furs. Though they had to compete with Britain (13 colonies), Russia (Siberia and New Russia), and France (New France), most of Scandinavia got their furs because of Spain. Many people forget that fur was a big thing in the new world that it was one of the reasons for the colonization of New France and New Russia.

 

[FillyofDelphi]

Sorry, I was mixing up the napolionic wars and the wars fought by Napoleon Bonaparte. The ‘bonaparte wars’ were a couple small wars launched by a French dictator in the early 19th century which were all crushed quickly by Russia and Britain, but in harry turteldove’s novel ‘Waterloo’ it talks about a world where Napoleon is successful (a threat that was all too real in Europe at that time.) Well what most people forget is that Spain traded theirs furs with Northern Europeans, the Germans, and Scandinavians payed good money for those furs. Though they had to compete with Britain (13 colonies), Russia (Siberia and New Russia), and France (New France), most of Scandinavia got their furs because of Spain. Many people forget that fur was a big thing in the new world that it was one of the reasons for the colonization of New France and New Russia.

(OOC: Napoleon Bonaparte is WAY too far along to not have gotten butterflied away in any recognizable form)

 

[mad orc]

I love Taco and chips so much .

 

[The_Russian]

(OOC: Napoleon Bonaparte is WAY too far along to not have gotten butterflied away in any recognizable form)

OOC: fair enough, but couldn’t the French Revolution still happen if France supported the us in the revolutionary war thus allowing Napoleon to get to power? If you have any idea about a more realistic Europe at this time feel free to share.

 

[The_Russian]

I love Taco and chips so much .

They are tasty
OOC: I’m confused? Is this supposed to be an alt Mexican food or alt Canadian food?

 

[FillyofDelphi]

They are tasty
OOC: I’m confused? Is this supposed to be an alt Mexican food or alt Canadian food?

I suppose alt-Mexican food. If it was alt-Canadian food, it'd be called Taco Poutine

 

[The_Russian]

I suppose alt-Mexican food. If it was alt-Canadian food, it'd be called Taco Poutine

Mmm. One of the better foods from Mexica!
OOC: fair enough.

 

[mad orc]

They are tasty
OOC: I’m confused? Is this supposed to be an alt Mexican food or alt Canadian food?

Taco was there before the Spanish came round.

 

[FleetMac]

Taco was there before the Spanish came round.

IC: What's funny is that all that is, is a replacement of a tack (typically made from elote*) with fried camote* sticks as the base for the meal. Tasty, if a bit starchy.

OOC: True, but the word "taco" is Spanish through and through**, so if we were to be serious in this TL then it'd be called something else entirely; possibly some variant of "tack" in English (e.g. "hard-tack"), given its etymological ties with the Spanish "taco".

* Pronounced like it looks in English, not in Spanish.

**I know some folks would claim that it comes from "tlahco" in Nahuatl, but that still leaves two issues even if true. One, that word specifically addressed a meal placed "in the middle" of a tortilla, which the picture listed displays not. Two, even if that were the case, English would've seen a different rendering from Nahuatl to something more like "flackow" (since the Nahuatl "tl" sound resembles the Welsh "ll" that often gets transliterated into "fl" in English).