DBWI: Southern California Wasn't Raided by the Japanese

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What if the Japanese carrier group hadn't been able to get close to the American mainland to launch coastal air raids on Oakland, San Diego, and Los Angeles nor also the attack on Pearl Harbor? It had more than the U.S. military anticipated in January 1942.
 
Japans carrier wouldn't have run out of fuel and been sunk as it was being towed. To put a few bombs over California and the deaths of 112 people they lost a carrier and is attendance fleet along with 3000 sailors.
 
The only things I can think of that'd this would effect is that the Cascadia Resistance would probably never had happened and Tenshi-Tachi would probably still be Los Angeles.
 
What if the Japanese carrier group hadn't been able to get close to the American mainland to launch coastal air raids on Oakland, San Diego, and Los Angeles nor also the attack on Pearl Harbor? It had more than the U.S. military anticipated in January 1942.

The Us probably wouldn't have firebombed Japan for the better part of 2 years and reduced Japan to 3rd world nation status plus the deaths of 15 million people might have kept the Japan one nation state instead of splitting them into the 4 of OTL
 
The only things I can think of that'd this would effect is that the Cascadia Resistance would probably never had happened and Tenshi-Tachi would probably still be Los Angeles.
OOC: This is some next-level thick-headedness.

I believe CalBear spelled out the circumstances needed for a Imperial Japan victory in another thread.

With a 1939 POD?

1. 3/1/39 Cascadia Subduction Zone ruptures generating 9.2 Earth Quake that destroys Seattle and Bremerton

2. 5/5/39 San Andreas Fault ruptures along entire length generating 8.5 Earth Quake that levels San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco.

3. 7/23/40 Aleutian Megathrust ruptures, generating 9.2 Earth Quake and major Tsunami. Tsunami destroys Vancouver, Hilo and Honolulu.

4. 9/19/40 Yellowstone mega-volcano erupts covering much of Central Plains in 12"/40 centimeters of ash.

5. 10/31/40 New Madrid fault ruptures causing Earth Quake swarm with multiple events measuring between 7.5 & 8.0. Destruction encompasses region as far north as St. Louis and as far south as Memphis.

6. 11/2/40 Category 5 huricane strikes New Orleans directly with winds up to 120 MPH. Damage renders exit of Mississippi impassable.

7. 8/23/41 La Palma, Canary Islands suffers largest landslide ever observed. 25 kilometers long, 12 kilometer deep section of isalnd crashes into Atlantic. Slide generate largest tsunami since Toba Event. Wave measures 325 meters high when it impacts East Coast of North America. Eastern Seaboard devastated. Substantial gamage to southwestern coast of British Isles.

8. 12/8/41 (Tokyo time) Japanese forces strike across Pacific.

9. 5/2/42 U.S. accepts terms.

Easy Peasy. All you need is for North America to suffer a series of disasters, all of which are possible over the next 10,000 years, in 48 months time.

Outside of that...

No bloody chance.
 
The Us probably wouldn't have firebombed Japan for the better part of 2 years and reduced Japan to 3rd world nation status plus the deaths of 15 million people might have kept the Japan one nation state instead of splitting them into the 4 of OTL
Also America might not have annexed Canada in this world, this means no Canuckistani terrorist movement.
 
OOC: So, like, where are they launching this from? Because the carriers will be taking pretty heavy fire if they get close to the west coast.
 
The youth resistance group, the Wolverines wouldn't have existed, or at least be founded so early.

But they might have appeared at a different time against a different threat, like if the USSR had become a threat in the 1980s or North Korea in the 2010s.
 
The youth resistance group, the Wolverines wouldn't have existed, or at least be founded so early.

But they might have appeared at a different time against a different threat, like if the USSR had become a threat in the 1980s or North Korea in the 2010s.
OOC:You do realize that Japan had zero chance of occupying the West Coast in WW2?
 
This is going to turn out to be a timeline where Ichiro was drafted by the Mariners in 1995 and that fantastic mid-1990s team won the World Series.
 
Does OP live in a alternate world where an alternate history is the reality and posted a multiuniversal thread that we can read and see showing us a window to OP's world and it's history?

Because as much I don't mean to sound silly any all. But I am seriously confused as to what he is talking about sorry....
 
Does OP live in a alternate world where an alternate history is the reality and posted a multiuniversal thread that we can read and see showing us a window to OP's world and it's history?

Because as much I don't mean to sound silly any all. But I am seriously confused as to what he is talking about sorry....

It's a double blind what if, where we act as if we live in an ATL and then discuss what would have happened if OTL events had happened.
 
I mean, if the Japanese hadn't launched that raid, where would Hollywood get its inspiration for patriotic resistance to invasion movies? You know the type. Where the evil yellow menace invade LA and then a plucky band of young patriots form a group usually named after some animal (I've seen 'Screaming Eagles' 'Wolverins' and I think 'Honey Badger' once) to blow up Japanese infantry for two hours and it ends on a rendition of The Star Spangled Banner, as the flag goes up over LA's town hall. We've had so many of the damn things.
 
Let's get serious here. First, the bombing stunts (that's what they were) executed against Los Angeles, Santa Monica, and San Diego did indeed result in the deaths of 112 civilians as noted above. They also served to arouse American ire to levels not known before in history. It was fortunate, in a grim sort of way, that most Japanese-Americans (either Issei or Nisei) had been relocated to the interior when those raids happened: otherwise, it's not inconceivable there would have been several lynchings of innocent people. I digress, however.

When I say America's ire was aroused, the recruiting offices were flooded even more than they were on 8 December 1941. The Armed Forces were actually turning away people for a few weeks, aiming them instead at the shipyards, steel mills, aircraft factories, and so on, with promises (backed up by the then-War Department) that their employment in defense industries would count as rear echelon military service. It's no wonder Henry Kaiser's shipyards were launching ships every hour on the hour (an exaggeration, but you get the idea...) and that bombers were getting cranked out like Chevrolets fifteen years earlier.

The stunts were foolhardy, as noted, since the Japanese outran their supply ships and turned out to be sitting ducks while getting towed home: no wonder so many ships of the IJN wound up on the Pacific floor, and that it made island hopping that much simpler. Also no wonder that fire-bombing on a scale that made Dresden look like a campfire happened as it did. By the time the US had a working prototype of a nuclear weapon in the early months of 1945, and let Japan know about it through such back channels as still existed, it was no wonder they gave up when the ultimatum came across: surrender now or Tokyo--or what's left of it--ceases to exist, and that includes the emperor. Even as fanatic as the Japanese militarists were, they had reached a breaking point.

Today, Japan is, in essence, a US colony, and has been for more than 70 years. While occupation ended during the Dewey presidency in the early 1960s, the transformation had been well under way. Don't forget that English is one of two official languages in Japan, and is coming to dominate. Japan also no longer drives on the left; the currency is inextricably linked to the US dollar; the government (for better or worse) is a republic rather than a parliamentary system; Hiroshima or Nagasaki are all but indistinguishable from cities of equivalent size on the eastern seaboard of the US, and that Japan is a major consumer of American-made goods.

While the '40s and '50s weren't good times to be Japanese, that hasn't seemed to be the case for more than a generation: witness how many Japanese baseball players have come to the US, for example, led by Ike Suzuki, who came to the Phillies in the 1990s. He essentially muscled Lenny Dykstra out of center field, and enabled the Phils to win back-to-back-to-back NL pennants in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
 
By the time the US had a working prototype of a nuclear weapon in the early months of 1945, and let Japan know about it through such back channels as still existed
I wonder what would happen if it was used. Perhaps America would have been less nuke-happy in the Korean War if they got an earlier look at what nuclear weapons could do to a city.
 
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