DBWI; Should Men be Considered Human Beings?

Of course, men should be treated with kindness where possible. But don't allow them to get any ideas; when they do, those will be there to stay.

I have news for you, my friend. A man 'gets ideas' the moment you enslave him and treat him like an animal. Beating and harsh treatment expedites the process quite nicely. Regular beatings caused me to 'get ideas' of escape, and I acted on them. I am not a 'rare case', or an isolated incident. The time approaches.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist
 
It is no use, friend. They do not listen. They have convinced themselves it is only necessary to beat an outspoken man hard enough, and he will leave.

Agitation, a crime according to the Criminal Act of 1889. Perhaps you should prefer it to be labelled treason?

These radicals always hold the high moral ground, apparently:rolleyes:. Do you recall the suffragists last year? They refused to eat, and then complained about brutality when force-fed to preserve their lives from their own folly.

Why can't you just accept that there is a divine order to existence? This unnecessary strife is exactly why today's youth is discontented and misguided by all these strange teachings. Morals decline when men see fit to wear the skirt and lipstick and act as though they were women.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired.
 
Agitation, a crime according to the Criminal Act of 1889. Perhaps you should prefer it to be labelled treason?

These radicals always hold the high moral ground, apparently:rolleyes:. Do you recall the suffragists last year? They refused to eat, and then complained about brutality when force-fed to preserve their lives from their own folly.

Why can't you just accept that there is a divine order to existence? This unnecessary strife is exactly why today's youth is discontented and misguided by all these strange teachings. Morals decline when men see fit to wear the skirt and lipstick and act as though they were women.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired.

I live in America, my friend, one of the world's few countries where a man is able to speak as he thinks, just as a woman may, though we have not quite as many rights as women. (Still fighting for the vote, etc...)

I recall the Suffragists quite well, now that you ask. Some of my friends had been involved in that movement. Sad, really.

I do agree that this strife is unnecessary. You need only relent. Using the old "Divine Order" argument is just foolish. Few truly put any stock in it now in this modern (compared to, say, a century ago) period.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist
 
one again I am glad that I live in one of the few countries that treats men like me equally. I never did understand why men were never treated equally in most countries.
 
I live in America, my friend, one of the world's few countries where a man is able to speak as he thinks, just as a woman may, though we have not quite as many rights as women. (Still fighting for the vote, etc...)

I recall the Suffragists quite well, now that you ask. Some of my friends had been involved in that movement. Sad, really.

I do agree that this strife is unnecessary. You need only relent. Using the old "Divine Order" argument is just foolish. Few truly put any stock in it now in this modern (compared to, say, a century ago) period.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist

It is my firm belief that were man simply content with his rightful place in the social order, no strife would be necessary. All of these troubles stem from the belief that woman and man are not just equal, but identical, as in thinking and working in any way remotely similarly. Anyone who has been married can attest this is not the case. Men can be quite nice, but I shall be damned if I ever understand them.

Not to mention the modern fashion. I hear that nowadays in America, people hardly think it an unusual occurence when high-ranking men arrive at board meetings in skirt and stocking. Not only is this against Goddess's will, in the Bible forbidding such, but it also removes all attractiveness in even an otherwise beautiful man. It is unbecoming and unmanly. No wonder the traditional family is breaking down.

And the practical problems... I hear in the American army, after it started accepting male officers, discipline has broken down completely. They just stand around expecting orders, even when in a command position. And let us not speak about the discrimination of this "Affirmative Action" system...

I have provided plentiful scientific documentation of men's abilities; altogether, they confirm rather than deny Goddess's wisdom in Her divine order.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired
 
It is my firm belief that were man simply content with his rightful place in the social order, no strife would be necessary. All of these troubles stem from the belief that woman and man are not just equal, but identical, as in thinking and working in any way remotely similarly. Anyone who has been married can attest this is not the case. Men can be quite nice, but I shall be damned if I ever understand them.

Not to mention the modern fashion. I hear that nowadays in America, people hardly think it an unusual occurence when high-ranking men arrive at board meetings in skirt and stocking. Not only is this against Goddess's will, in the Bible forbidding such, but it also removes all attractiveness in even an otherwise beautiful man. It is unbecoming and unmanly. No wonder the traditional family is breaking down.

And the practical problems... I hear in the American army, after it started accepting male officers, discipline has broken down completely. They just stand around expecting orders, even when in a command position. And let us not speak about the discrimination of this "Affirmative Action" system...

I have provided plentiful scientific documentation of men's abilities; altogether, they confirm rather than deny Goddess's wisdom in Her divine order.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired

I wish it were possible to express a sigh through writing without seeming to be a childish imbecile.

Men and women are equal but they are not identical. If you can not get an intellectual grasp on how men think, whose fault is that?

Regarding what you have 'heard', Admiral Ritter, you are simply hearing the most widespread misconceptions. Most men in America, including myself, still like wearing pants and the usual clothing men have worn for many years. As it happens, I think it is wrong for any man to be wearing a skirt. Men shouldn't have to emulate women. They should be able to stand as equals with them, how they dress notwithstanding.

Regarding the new male officers, one of my two sons is commisioned as an infantry lieutenant in Federal service, and I am a Militia captain. He is doing quite well, as am I. It is nothing short of total falsehood to say that these male officers are ineffective.

I will join you in placing condemnation upon the Affirmative Action Act. Men needing help to stand alongside women is a ludicrous notion.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist
 
I wish it were possible to express a sigh through writing without seeming to be a childish imbecile.

Men and women are equal but they are not identical. If you can not get an intellectual grasp on how men think, whose fault is that?

Regarding what you have 'heard', Admiral Ritter, you are simply hearing the most widespread misconceptions. Most men in America, including myself, still like wearing pants and the usual clothing men have worn for many years. As it happens, I think it is wrong for any man to be wearing a skirt. Men shouldn't have to emulate women. They should be able to stand as equals with them, how they dress notwithstanding.

Regarding the new male officers, one of my two sons is commisioned as an infantry lieutenant in Federal service, and I am a Militia captain. He is doing quite well, as am I. It is nothing short of total falsehood to say that these male officers are ineffective.

I will join you in placing condemnation upon the Affirmative Action Act. Men needing help to stand alongside women is a ludicrous notion.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist

You actually seem to be quite reasonable, for a radical.

Perhaps the use of the word "equal" is what confuses the issue. My view of men (and that of most others I know) is that they are as valued members of society as women. Still, we have to understand that the skills and abilities men possess are not suitable for a position of authority. Hormones make them prone to rash actions, they lack empathy... if all rulers were men, surely the world would be perpetually at war.

To summarise, while I do not think men to be animals or automatons as some ultra-reactionaries still seem to (that is, in my view, almost as bad as the radical agitation), they are better fit to a serving and supporting societal role. If all men accepted this, there would be no need for conflict.

That all male officers are ineffective is of course a stereotype and myth. Men in disguise actually commanded companies of soldiers in the Great War, and in the Civil War and even earlier. That said, these were still very exceptional individuals. Just as there are - regrettably - masculine women, there are also effeminate men.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired
 
You actually seem to be quite reasonable, for a radical.

Perhaps the use of the word "equal" is what confuses the issue. My view of men (and that of most others I know) is that they are as valued members of society as women. Still, we have to understand that the skills and abilities men possess are not suitable for a position of authority. Hormones make them prone to rash actions, they lack empathy... if all rulers were men, surely the world would be perpetually at war.

To summarise, while I do not think men to be animals or automatons as some ultra-reactionaries still seem to (that is, in my view, almost as bad as the radical agitation), they are better fit to a serving and supporting societal role. If all men accepted this, there would be no need for conflict.

That all male officers are ineffective is of course a stereotype and myth. Men in disguise actually commanded companies of soldiers in the Great War, and in the Civil War and even earlier. That said, these were still very exceptional individuals. Just as there are - regrettably - masculine women, there are also effeminate men.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired

You are also seemingly quite reasonable, for a conservative dinosaur, that is.

In all seriousness, it seems to me that women have started quite a few big military conflcts throughout the years. I don't think there was much of any real attempt made at real diplomacy when Hector of Troy was abducted. They just got right in to the business of killing each other, culminating in the total eradication of the Trojan people in the end, or as close to total as makes no difference. While some women like to argue that a man caused the war the fact remains that all the important decisions and so forth were in the hands of women whose minds were clouded with hate, and who could have shown restraint but did not.

I agree that we seem to have different ideas about men and women's place in society. I believe that men can and should be utterly equal to women, an intense conviction which I have held from a young age.

Regarding the male officers in the armed forces? The vast majority of them have proved to be just as capable as female officers.

I would make this message longer, but I'm due elsewhere. We are meeting with a local Congresswoman to attempt to get her to support our bid for the vote.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist
 
You are also seemingly quite reasonable, for a conservative dinosaur, that is.

In all seriousness, it seems to me that women have started quite a few big military conflcts throughout the years. I don't think there was much of any real attempt made at real diplomacy when Hector of Troy was abducted. They just got right in to the business of killing each other, culminating in the total eradication of the Trojan people in the end, or as close to total as makes no difference.

I agree that we seem to have different ideas about men and women's place in society. I believe that men can and should be utterly equal to women, an intense conviction which I have held from a young age.

Regarding the male officers in the armed forces? The vast majority of them have proved to be just as capable as female officers.

I would make this message longer, but I'm due elsewhere. We are meeting with a local Congresswoman to attempt to get her to support our bid for the vote.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist

For the Illiad: Men can stir up trouble even when not in charge...;)

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. In a way, it's actually quite refreshing to hold a conversation such as this on a civilised level. All too often, the Masculinists are doing naught but screaming for this or that without the barest hint of justification or reason.

As for the male officers, that was not my professional experience when we did try it (that was the year the rightists won both houses). They were unable to work on their own and needed constant micromanaging and encouragement. Morale also fell quite considerably, among both sexes. To say nothing of the hassle with different hygienical facilities, relations problems... I'd rather be rid of it altogether.

I do myself have business elsewhere to attend to. Good night, then.

Victoria Ritter, Admiral, EUN, Retired.
 
(OOC: Now that was a cool debate right there, Canaris. You're pretty good at making a good debate...but then, so am I. ;). You are the sort of person I'd like to work with in making a timeline or a story.)
 
(OOC: Now that was a cool debate right there, Canaris. You're pretty good at making a good debate...but then, so am I. ;). You are the sort of person I'd like to work with in making a timeline or a story.)

(OOC: It was quite fun.;) Thanks, though I'm not really into writing stories just yet (I only joined two months ago); I'm more of a commenter.)
 
I would like to apologize for my outburst earlier. It seems I am just as susceptable to emotion as women. I ask the retired Admiral how she would feel if our positions were reversed. If men were on top, so to speak, would she not fight for her Goddess-given rights? There is an old Native American saying: "You must walk a mile in another woman's shoes before you can truely understand her." Thanks for your time.
 

The Sandman

Banned
Well, everyone should consider the fact that, from what the most recent work in genetics shows, the male gender isn't likely to be around for that much longer. The entire chromosome responsible for their existence has only a few thousand years left in it at most.
 

WyldCard4

Banned
It is strange that while you were all arguing about this 1 out of every 200 females were killed by a male.

There are only about 600 million people on this planet and you can't sustane these losses for long.

The only areas immune to the murders are the United States of Australia and The Union of Kremlins in Russia where the men are treated fair and the murder rate of woman by men is only 1 per 2000.

And notice that your prisons where you put "violents" (instead of killing them) are the perfect places for rebellion to start, men are vastly supperior at warfare in most cases and this has only grow with the destruction of the guns be CA mandate strength is all important.
 
It is strange that while you were all arguing about this 1 out of every 200 females were killed by a male.

There are only about 600 million people on this planet and you can't sustane these losses for long.

The only areas immune to the murders are the United States of Australia and The Union of Kremlins in Russia where the men are treated fair and the murder rate of woman by men is only 1 per 2000.

And notice that your prisons where you put "violents" (instead of killing them) are the perfect places for rebellion to start, men are vastly supperior at warfare in most cases and this has only grow with the destruction of the guns be CA mandate strength is all important.

Bloodshed is not the answer, my brother, not yet. First, we must try to make women see the blatant folly in how they act. Violence should be seen by men as a last resort, used only if everything else has failed us and there is a desperate need to force the Revolution.

In addition I would like to point out that men are being treated more fairly in my own current home in the United States of America than before, and it will only be a short while now before America joins Russia and Australia as third in the group of nations which practice Total Equality.

Rest assured, brothers, and be not afraid, as the Revolution draws nigh.

~ Ezekiel Crowe, Male Rights Activist
 
Here are some statistics that should make any discussion on males an interesting position:

* Although males make up 49% of the population, they make up 92% of the population of imprisoned in the United States....

* 89% of the world's male porn sites are created in the United States of America, Germany comes in second with only 4% of male porn sites, and Great Britain with 3% of those sites...

* 495 of the Fortune 500 business leaders are female, with 4 ot of the 5 male business leaders living in the United States...

* Rural males help produce 55% of the food produced in the industrialized world...

* Of the 1 billion illiterate adults workwide, 2/3 (c.66.7%) are men....
 
They're at it again. Thomas the Shrubber (he insists on being just Thomas Shrubber, pretentious twit) is once again agitating that men be given certain "rights" such as the right to "life", to work and live in an area without their woman's permission, even the right to own property etc. He' not asking for anything ridiculous like the vote this time, (I guess the public beatings have some effect) but still.

The very idea that men are anything more than tasty beefsteak and draft animals you can have sex with and (sometimes) understand orders just revolts me. What's your opinion?

(ooc, all posters are female, unless otherwise noted.)

I HOPE you mean beefcake/eye candy, not food...
 
Not asking for equality just humane treatment.

Godess Hopers!
I accept my status as Her Scared will.
I would beg, though as a reward for my obidence that the Day of assigment be at least carried out differently.
I, was praaded before a group of white coated lab assitence, who inspected my sperm and my teeth.
They laughed at my voice and my feeble attempts to breathe.
Please remember we make better servants if we are mothered rather than toictured
 
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