DBWI: Rosa Luxemburg doesn't seize power

Looking back at the aftermath of the Great War, one of the things that have consistently baffled historians is how the Spartacist League, which was relatively weak at the time of its uprising in 1919, managed to overthrow the Weimar Republic, propelling Rosa Luxemburg into absolute power till 1933. How would Germany have fared had the Freikorps, under perhaps better management, managed to crush the Spartacist League, rather than ending up defeated and hunted down across Germany?
 
Before collapsing , and condemming half of Eurasia to three straight decades of civil war that essentially blasted the two continents back into the medival age or worst.
 
Well, it is hard to imagine the scientific developments that would have been delayed due to the "Esoteric War" (OOC: Cold War) that existed between the United States and the Eurasian Union/USSR. Just remember that the 1948 launch of an "artificial comet" by Robert Goddard and Werner von Braun was based on fears of Soviet missiles. The atomic bomb was developed by Werner Heisenberg, Albert Einstein, and Robert Oppenheimer in 1942, after German scientists reported radiation experiments. Even the development of the computer by Alan Turing in 1954, was based on Soviet military encryption programs....
 
If Europe had still been a financial investment center during the time, the Anglo-American investment that kick-started the Jaguar economies of South America and more recently the African Lions of the former European colonies might have been diverted to more profitable, already established industries in Europe, or even try to take advantage of low manpower costs of Asia if possible.

Just a thought.
 
If Europe had still been a financial investment center during the time, the Anglo-American investment that kick-started the Jaguar economies of South America and more recently the African Lions of the former European colonies might have been diverted to more profitable, already established industries in Europe, or even try to take advantage of low manpower costs of Asia if possible.

Just a thought.
I don't know. Think about how crappy European products are, remember the 1991 Volkwagon (a.k.a. "the People's Car"). As comedians like to joke, when Rodney King was pulled over for speeding at 100 mph in a Volkswagon, the manufacturers were said to be completely confused. I would also point to the fact that the only computer software that has been successful from the USSR was "Tetris" in 1989...
 
I don't know. Think about how crappy European products are, remember the 1991 Volkwagon (a.k.a. "the People's Car"). As comedians like to joke, when Rodney King was pulled over for speeding at 100 mph in a Volkswagon, the manufacturers were said to be completely confused. I would also point to the fact that the only computer software that has been successful from the USSR was "Tetris" in 1989...
Of course, but a Europe that doesn't go under the control of communists is a Europe in which capitalistic competition and technology can survive. Do you honestly mean to imply that Europeans are docile sheep who will quietly submit to whatever government offers the most Soviet-era healthcare even as the world-continent is recovering from being back in the stone ages?
 
Of course, but a Europe that doesn't go under the control of communists is a Europe in which capitalistic competition and technology can survive. Do you honestly mean to imply that Europeans are docile sheep who will quietly submit to whatever government offers the most Soviet-era healthcare even as the world-continent is recovering from being back in the stone ages?
I don't know, with the health care debate between presidential front-runners Ron Paul (R-TX) and Michael Gravel (D-AK) taking up the time on every major TV network, I wouldn't put it past people to desire a "socialized health care" system. Also consider that you have General Anatoly Sarkozy constantly leading the "Death to America!" rallies in Paris since his rise to power in 2006....
 
I've got no issue with social healthcare: South America is proof that the needy can be supported by the state until they get back on their feet. But my point was, a Europe that hadn't been forced to conform/be pacified by the USSR would have remained a scientific, industrial, and cultural power in the Free World.
 
I've got no issue with social healthcare: South America is proof that the needy can be supported by the state until they get back on their feet. But my point was, a Europe that hadn't been forced to conform/be pacified by the USSR would have remained a scientific, industrial, and cultural power in the Free World.
I am not as optimistic about that as you are. First, considering that Germany and Russia had a long history of authoritarian dictatorships stretching as far back as 1848, I find it hard to believe in an ATL, even with ASB events wherein Germany could reasonably be called a part of the "Free World". Lord knows that the Germans invaded France 4 times as part of "police actions" since 1924 (e.g. 1940 Paris Spring; 1968 French "Time of Troubles" ); It is hard to imagine them even considering working together economically.
 
I'm just glad that two oceans insulate the Americas from the enduring troubles of the world island. That said, there is hope in Africa, where the economies are strong, but most states remain authoritarian.
 
I've got no issue with social healthcare: South America is proof that the needy can be supported by the state until they get back on their feet. But my point was, a Europe that hadn't been forced to conform/be pacified by the USSR would have remained a scientific, industrial, and cultural power in the Free World.


What are you talking about? Sure some parts like the Georgian SSR's are quiet erm, brutal. Some SSR"s like France are democratic and open societies. Sure there's only two viable parties, the Socialist and Communist Parties but tell me how is that different from the Republican-Democratic duopoly that the Americans have?

Hell the Federal structure of the USSR is so diverse that the Dutch still have their king.
 
What are you talking about? Sure some parts like the Georgian SSR's are quiet erm, brutal. Some SSR"s like France are democratic and open societies. Sure there's only two viable parties, the Socialist and Communist Parties but tell me how is that different from the Republican-Democratic duopoly that the Americans have?

Hell the Federal structure of the USSR is so diverse that the Dutch still have their king.

:rolleyes:The Dutch may have a King, but he sits in Paramaribo, and governs Suriname, not the Dutch Soviet Socialist Republic.
 
:rolleyes:The Dutch may have a King, but he sits in Paramaribo, and governs Suriname, not the Dutch Soviet Socialist Republic.

I was talking about the "People's King" Not some inbred fool sitting in the middle of nowhere...
 
I was talking about the "People's King" Not some inbred fool sitting in the middle of nowhere...

Well, true, the current Dutch SSR premier did inherit the post from his father, and, despite governing autocratically, remains popular.
 

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Well, on a slightly different note to most of the posts here, Feminism in the Capitalist world would not have been set back as far as it was by her siezure of power. Why, it was only 6 years ago that we as Australians legally empowered woman as being equal to men. New Zealand would not have had female enfranchisement revoked forcibly by Britain. Feminism would not be equated with communism.
 
Well, on a slightly different note to most of the posts here, Feminism in the Capitalist world would not have been set back as far as it was by her siezure of power. Why, it was only 6 years ago that we as Australians legally empowered woman as being equal to men. New Zealand would not have had female enfranchisement revoked forcibly by Britain. Feminism would not be equated with communism.
I wouldn't be so sure. The experience of feminism in the Americas certainly differs from those in the Commonwealth. The American experience of the "Sally Sledgehammer" (OOC: ATL version of "Rosie the Riveter") was one of the major developments of the 1940s in an effort to help with the arms buildup, along with fighting along the Chinese front. Starting in 1944, you had the military draft extended to women, mostly within the Coast Guard and the Women's Air Corps (WAC).

While it misogynistic and sexist behavior certainly prevented women becoming NASDA astronauts until 1983, it certainly didn't prevent Pat Schroeder (D-CO) from winning the Democratic Party presidential nomination in 1988...
 
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