DBWI : Rome defeats Carthage

So what about the domino effect on the other Diadochi then? As far as we know, the ruinous Ptolemaioi-Seleukidai wars already happened but the Romans was noted to actually import grain from Egypt and having some sort of alliance with the Ptolemaioi.

What if, after Makedonian campaign to take over the North East Italy happened, the Ptolemaioi decides to relieve their Roman ally by invading either Carthage or Makedonia?

For extra fun, the Seleukidai would then try to attack the Ptolemaioi, but then Pontos and Parthoi end up attacking the Seleukidai in return, which caused Pergamon to attack Pontos and Parthoi being invaded by Scythian nomads.

It would be one hell of a World War.
Carthage would have a massive strategic advantage over the Egyptians, as they can both mobilize more men overall, maintain a larger army on their home turf than the Egyptians can launch as an expeditionary force, and endure more defeats as a republic than the Egyptians can in their monarchy; they have a much easier time just blaming the general, crucifying him, and carrying on, whereas it's much harder for a Hellenistic warlord king to deflect blame. Moreover, once Egypt is committed to the losing side, all their possessions in the Aegean are open season for the Makedonians.
 

Dolan

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once Egypt is committed to the losing side, all their possessions in the Aegean are open season for the Makedonians.
Forget Makedonians, that's why I said Seleukidai will pounce on them on the first sign of weakness, especially considering Makedonia would be busy dealing with the northeast Italy AND around this time, on good terms with the Seleukids.

It then depends if Antiochus III could manage to not being dogpiled by everyone else.
 
Forget Makedonians, that's why I said Seleukidai will pounce on them on the first sign of weakness, especially considering Makedonia would be busy dealing with the northeast Italy AND around this time, on good terms with the Seleukids.

It then depends if Antiochus III could manage to not being dogpiled by everyone else.
Good terms or no, the Makedonians would not stand to be excluded from exploiting the collapse of the Ptolemaic regime or seeing a potential rival emerge as an eastern hegemon unchecked; once Carthage was victorious over the Romans, they could begin deploying armies to Egypt to reinstall Ptolemy IV as a vassal and prevent the unification of the Greek East.
 
^ This really. While it didn't lead to a complete breakdown of relations between Carthage and Makedon, it did cool them considerably when Carthage and Makedon (and to a lesser extent the Seleukidai) began utilizing Ptolemaic Egypt as a battleground of influence. I think it's stopped being an issue after Makedon allowed for a final partition of the Ptolemaic domain which allowed for the Barcid's "Return to Pheonicia" campaign. I think it was after Demetrios III conquered the last of the Seleukid domains in Northern Syria and Anatolia.

It's weird, because you'd think Makedon and Carthage would've inherited the Seleukid-Ptolemaios rivalry, but apparently the Persians had other plans.
 

Dolan

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It's weird, because you'd think Makedon and Carthage would've inherited the Seleukid-Ptolemaios rivalry, but apparently the Persians had other plans.
to be fair, Makedon did piss the Carthaginians when they end up not so covertly helping the Maccabeeid Ioudaioi to form the now famed Kingdom-without-King, that ironically culturally closer to the Carthaginians. The resurgent, Monotheistic Kingdom of Yehuda under the rule of Maccabe Priest-Steward (all while seemingly waiting for a worthy descendant of Legendary David and Solomon to take the Throne, but in fact, it was more like Priest dominated Demokratia with the nonexistent monarch as a figurehead).

Sure it ends up undercutting the Carthaginian claim of all Phoenicia, with said Kingdom of Yehuda's ranks was swollen by Ptolemaic remnants (who converted to the particularly weird cult of El-Adonai, the one who claimed Yahweh is the real and only God). The infusion of Ptolemaic remnants enables the Kingdom of Yehuda to wrest control of the Sinai Peninsula from Carthage, and basically cut Carthage land access from their Phoenician homeland.

The Said Kingdom without King actually held themselves very well for two centuries... Until the Priest-Steward Caiaphas decides that he had enough ruling as a King in all but name in front of an empty throne, decided to crown himself as a real King, kill anyone who denounced his move as usurping the Messiah's rightful place... And attack Phoenicia...

It was so bad that Makedon immediately dropped their support while Carthage pours their wrath on the Kingdom, resulting in said dispersal of the Yehudans / Ioudaioi to what they themselves call as the second exile before their religion ends up heavily suppressed on Carthaginian held lands.

Sure, the only thing visibly left from them is the cult of El-Adonai, apparently formed by Yeshua, one of the most vocal who denounced Caiaphas' "usurpation", and end up being crossed as the result. The cult's believer's insistence that Yeshua is actually the real Messiah is definitely mind-boggling.

Sure, to us, it was Caiaphas' idiocy of attacking Phoenicia caused his downfall, but to the believer of the El-Adonai cult, his downfall was the punishment of usurping rightful Messiah's throne.
 
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