DBWI: Romans expanded beyond the Alps

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The Roman Republic was an influential state to the Mediterranean, but their northern boundary never proceeded farther than what they called Gallia Narbonensis and Gallia Cisalpina.

What sort of situation would be required for the Romans to conquer land north of the Alps--perhaps even all of Gaul?--and if they did, how would it change the history of Europe?

Would those areas speak Latin, much like Italia, Hispania, and Africa do today?
 
I can't see Rome expanding beyond Alps. There were several hostile tribes who would fight against Romans. Southern coast of Gallia is possible but hardly more. Romans were pretty militarist but hardly even they care fight decades against several hostile tribes. And Alps anyway formed well secured natural border for Roman Repbulic so why bother.
 

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I can't see Rome expanding beyond Alps. There were several hostile tribes who would fight against Romans. Southern coast of Gallia is possible but hardly more. Romans were pretty militarist but hardly even they care fight decades against several hostile tribes. And Alps anyway formed well secured natural border for Roman Repbulic so why bother.
The Romans fought for decades against hostile tribes in Hispania and Illyria. Gaul would be more difficult due to its forested nature, but why not form client kingdoms in the area?
 
I can't see Rome expanding beyond Alps.
I'm surprised you put so little stock in them; Rome spent several centuries giving the Gallic tribes a serious run for their money, and even managed to fight the mighty Carthaginians to a standoff. It was only when they tried to fight both of them at once, and the Macedonians for good measure, that they hit a real brick wall in terms of expansion, and even then it took a military genius like Hannibal Barca to bring it a together and bring the fight to them.

OOC: I assumed our PoD is Rome losing the Second Punic War, in case that's not clear.
 
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I'm surprised you put so little stock in them; Rome spent several centuries giving the Gallic tribes a serious run for their money, and even managed to fight the mighty Carthaginians to a standoff. It was only when they tried to fight both of them at once, and the Macedonians for good measure, that they hit a real brick wall in terms of expansion, and even then it took a military genius like Hannibal Barca to bring it a together and bring the fight to them.

OOC: I assumed our PoD is Rome losing the Second Punic War, in case that's not clear.
OOC: I already said that Africa (probably just the Roman province of Africa) spoke Latin in the first post, though.
 
The Romans fought for decades against hostile tribes in Hispania and Illyria. Gaul would be more difficult due to its forested nature, but why not form client kingdoms in the area?
The hostile Suebians already had sacked the area submitting the Gaul tribes into tributary clients. Unforgotten the Suebian march through Italy, when Ariovist sacked Massilia and marched right into Italy. The people of Rome in these days feared the Suebians would be in Rome at any minute. "Ariovist ante portas est !" , they used to prank call each other.
 
OOC: I already said that Africa (probably just the Roman province of Africa) spoke Latin in the first post, though.

Hannibal's victory was somewhat Pyrrhic in hindsight. Because he failed to destroy Rome itself but instead humiliated the Romans, they spent the better part of the next century fighting three more Punic wars, which resulted in one of the best-known genocides in history and reduced swathes of previously fertile and prosperous northern africa into wasteland.
 
1st step would probably be removing Uxellorix who formed the first Confederation of Gaul.
Then clientise the kingdoms one by one before folding them in.
Of course the bigger the Republic gets the harder it is to maintain a republican system.
 

PhilippeO

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Romans successfully besieged Alaesia twice, if they succeeded Gauls would speak Latin. and second siege cancelation was because of notably freak event, if they go another couple months they will succeed.

one important change is that Alaesia siege is successful they might march to Rhine and Elbe, there are no tribe strong enough to stop them if Alaesia falls. so not only Gaul would speak Latin but Germania too. that would change Europe massively, the Rugiian Empire would not exist if that happen.
 
Might be worse for the economy. They were able to bring about earlier industrialization in order to try and get the gold from the Celts. Attempts to conquer the Gauls/Celts/etc was based partially to get their gold. The nations that sprang from those tribes might not have existed if the Romans invaded, as they would undoubtedly be utterly Romanized like the Athenians, Corinthians, Macedonians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Thracians, etc were.
 
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