When if ever do you think east and west Germany will reunify?

  • In 5-10 years

    Votes: 7 12.7%
  • In 10-20 years

    Votes: 11 20.0%
  • In 20-30 years

    Votes: 8 14.5%
  • In 30 or more years

    Votes: 5 9.1%
  • Never

    Votes: 24 43.6%

  • Total voters
    55
With a POD of 1946 have North Korea not reunify with South Korea and survive past 1990 and have East Germany reunite with West Germany before 1992. Also bonus points if you have North Korea get nukes similar to the way East Germany did in OTL. Is it possible without flipping the fates of China and Russia also or no? And if so how would you flip their fates?

OOC: Basically Korea reunified in the late 80’s-90’s and Germany stayed divided with East Germany being the equivalent to OTL North Korea.
 
Found an east German official. And besides east Germany is basically a Russian puppet.
The East Germans never refer to themselves as "East Germany". They call themselves merely Deutschland, with the west called der Westsektor, denying its German-ness.

OOC: similar how North Korea refers to itself as "Korea", with the south's Korean-ness being diluted and contaminated by the enemy occupation.
 
OOC: this one is pretty tough. East Germany is SURROUNDED by by NATO states post-fall (North Korea actually has a small, easily fortifiable border of about 120 miles with the ROK). That’s a lot of ground to lock down. I also can’t see how it’s in Russia’s interests to aid this DPRK with white people (and where on earth are they getting the money to support this puppet state). In fact it actually significantly hurts them because there’s no way the west would provide the economic aid that kept them barely alive in the 1990s if they extended such a big middle finger. Wouldn’t surprise if Russia ended up as a failed state if they tried this. I also can’t see Russia ever being kosher with aggressive Germans with nukes. Even IOTL they seriously didn’t like or trust the DDR, and worse still when the two Germanies reunify like they probably will there’s a very good chance the new state would keep the weapons if Russia made such a clear statement of hostile intent. That makes it very difficult for me to see an opening for them to start up a nuclear program.

I do try, however, to not just shoot down ideas, so let’s try and make this work. We can compare the the DDR IOTL to the DPRK but the better template would be Hoxha’s Albania: an extremely isolationist, anti-foreign power that just wants everyone else to stay the eff out. The DDR can’t be like North Korea and adopt a seriously aggressive posture against the rest of Germany or anyone else. The mere idea of them as a military threat is a joke given how small they are and how every country around them plus all other NATO members and the organization’s nuclear umbrella will auto-attack if they try anything.

As for their nukes, let’s say things in the USSR unravel a bit quicker, there’s a botched coup that Gorbachev narrowly wins in 1988-89. We can say the POD is that the Shah doesn’t discover his cancer as quickly (first diagnosed in 1974 IOTL, let’s say 1975 IATL) and dies in late 1977 before he can go full potato and order the publishing of the anti-Khomeini article in the state newspaper. The Iranian Revolution is butterflied, and with it the 1979 oil crisis. This costs the Soviet economy a few extra years, and things fall apart before the question of the DDR can be resolved. With the Soviet Union going to pot and the armed forces disintegrating, the Stasi sees the writing on the wall and quietly secured a couple dozen of the many nuclear warheads stored by Group of Soviet Forces in Germany, saying they are “safekeeping the weapons of the Communist party until the present crisis has passed.” With Moscow in November 1991 level dysfunction and crisis, no one is able to stop them. The USSR falls, and the East Germans expel all the former Soviet troops who they denounce now as counterrevolutionaries. They keep the nukes they took and a lot of chem and conventional ones, then declare martial law, kill anyone who makes discontented noises, and go full isolationist as the economy free falls and desperate poverty becomes widespread.

Oh, and as for how the DPRK reunites with the ROK, let’s just say the 1995 coup attempt when the Ground Force’s 6th Corps tried to march on Pyongyang is preceded by a raid that kills Kim Jong-il and the other major head honchos and the whole regime disintegrates.

There we go. Sound good/can we agree on a common plausible point of reference?
 
The East Germans never refer to themselves as "East Germany". They call themselves merely Deutschland, with the west called der Westsektor, denying its German-ness.

OOC: similar how North Korea refers to itself as "Korea", with the south's Korean-ness being diluted and contaminated by the enemy occupation.
Well I don’t care what those commies think. West Germany is the only Germany which is the only prosperous Germany. Sure the east says it’s the only true Germany but so does the west! Both sides lay claim to all of Germany. (Also it’s kinda funny to me how east Germany says west Germany is run by facists but its been proven that it sends people to work camps) But it is interesting how the east is influenced more by Prussia and how the west is influenced more by Baverua.
 
Honestly, I managed to visit the East with my mother a few springs ago. I was quite nice to be honest, but it seems as if the general people there have nearly forgotten the west. Changing minds may help, perhaps have the east and west keep reuniting firm in their propaganda?
 
OOC: East Germany either has to seize all of Berlin or it goes into the historic dustbin with the rest of the Iron Curtain. Having West Berlin deep in the heart of red territory is a ticking time bomb for East Germany.

IC: Maybe Kim Il-Sung lives longer. He was a huge dick but he had a vision, and his son just was NOT ready to take over. And the ensuing power struggle doomed NK to collapse. And it’s a good thing for the north as well, given the famine there in the mid-90s and the need for lots of aid from Seoul. But the minute Papa Kim succumbed to what we eventually found out was food poisoning, the DPRK was dead meat.

As for the GDR, now THESE guys knew how to secure a border and flip the middle finger to the world. Their border wall was seen as a model for how to isolate a nation, to the point where even suggesting it in America is tantamount to supporting fascism. Or communism. Or both. Combine that with the Purge of West Berlin and the GDR is as strong and going nowhere as it can be.
 
Would the frg increase it’s attempts to buy out the families of some wishing to move?
Perhaps access to hard currency stores will be increased.
 
Honestly would it be a good idea to do so?

Korea had a longer history of being a unified nation, and has proven to be over a period of hundreds of years to be a responsible nation that could work with in a balance of power. Their unification didn't really threaten east asia's status quo all that much. Sure the americans moved from the DMZ to the Yalu which did upset the chinese but they have more or less made their peace with that by now.

Now compare the damage a unified germany did with in a relatively short time period.

A unified germany even if it was peaceful which I find doubtful would dominate the european union, it would have been able to force austerity down the continants throat instead of being forced to back off. They would have successfully gotten their way when the refugee crisis happened instead of losing that round which would have distabalized europe. Then there were the attempts to use regulation to cripple the polish and other eastern european members economy's in the crib which also thankfully failed.

People don't like talking about it but west germany can and has acted like a bully, its normally the threat of prussians and their smaller size that keeps a lot of their crazier ideas from being implimented. East germany might be incredibly irratating but looking at the big picture their existance helps maintain europes balance of power.
 
East German apologism is at least a kickable offense here. I would be careful if I were you.
I am defending TRUE NORDIC PRUSSIA, there is and has never been such a thing as "east germany". GERMANY is PRUSSIA and PRUSSIA is Germany. Someday soon the decadent west will collapse, perhaps we in Berlin will be generous to allow the decent "west" germans to rejoin PRUSSIA, with colonial status for two or three generations of course to remove decent anglozionist influences that have turned west germans into americanized weaklings.

The power of Nation and Socialism will keep PRUSSIA intact during the coming time of trouble
 
Nation and Socialism not national socialism. National Socialism wanted a german-ruled europe, PRUSSIA will stand alone and pure!
 
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