DBWI:Republican World

WhiteHawk

Banned
I'm telling you man, if the Zionists hadn't propped up the monarchies we'd be living in a republican world. Don't let them fool you, the evidence is out there! The Rothschilds and the Freemasons can't hide this forever, the people will take what is rightfully theirs!


OOC: I figured conspiracy theorists would look at he failed opportunities of democracy and immediately point to them as evidence of aliens or Zionists

What is this madness? The perfidious Jew seeks to destroy Gods Chosen Monarchs and replace them with a proletarian dictatorship run by an overclass of Jewish, Marxist terrorists. Any suggestion that the Jews are propping up the Good Queen is rightful grounds for a duel, sir.
 
What is this madness? The perfidious Jew seeks to destroy Gods Chosen Monarchs and replace them with a proletarian dictatorship run by an overclass of Jewish, Marxist terrorists. Any suggestion that the Jews are propping up the Good Queen is rightful grounds for a duel, sir.

You see how they have blinded him? They are dividing us, only through the truth can we uncover the rot within our own institutions! The "Good Queen" is a ZIONIST PAWN!!! Let us not fight amongst ourselves my good man, that is what they want. See past the illusions they have laid before you!
 
Ala Igbo's pretty small and propped up by loads of Western oil dollars, though.

And not to mention that there are a fair number of monarchies which failed, or are failing, as well: Arabia just went through 25 years of famine from 1985-2010 and lost half of its 28 million people; now the Caliph's forces control only about half of the country. Faith and loyalty didn't do much for them.

The Korean Empire imploded in the 1970s and much of it was turned into a biowarfare-blasted ruin by 1990 or so.

The Kingdom of Cambodia suffered it's own disaster in the 1970s, as did Siam....in fact, Siam is still a mess today!

Great Britain fell apart in 1946 after about 20 years of political stagnation and on and off economic depression; it took until the early 1960s for the remnant state to recover to a reasonable level, and it took a lot of Canadian and Australian aid, too.

France nearly fell apart in the 1880s after a German noble stole the throne: now, the monarch has no real power at all and some of the German families are STILL forbidden from office!

The Two Sicilies turned into a dictatorship under the Mad King Umberto III in the '30s.....who was assassinated in 1938, btw. By moderate Monarchists, no less. And it took Sicily proper and Sardinia both about 20 years to fully recover.

And Somalia? Hah! Before 1971, Somalia was a third world country on the verge of total implosion!

And I believe the Norse Kingdoms have been covered already......

And, finally, Greece is an example of a country that actually did better as a democratic republic than a monarchy....lots better, in fact! So, I might add, are Tanzania, Angola, the Gold Coast Republic, and Uruguay.

Really, it's not the type of system alone that counts.....it's how it's executed.

I think there are a few failings, I agree, but as a whole monarchism has really helped most nations maintain stability and I believe impart justice in an impartial fashion (most enlightened monarchies!) that republicans will never be able to. But I agree, some monarchist nations have failed, one very recent example as we all know is the Kerajaan Kalimantan, Tanah Ketenteraman (sp?) Anyway, the failing of Borneo really only was their recent king, who was a rogue Malay nationalist, it's not a secret he funded many violent Malay nationalist terror cells and militias, including but not limited to Pahlawan Yang Bumiputra, we all know their atrocities and terror attacks in Java and mainland Siam, and the brutal ethnic cleansing that they orchestrated in Timor. All funded through Bornean oil money. I am not one to disagree that monarchies can very well go bad, but with Republican types like you, we are the focus on the few things that go wrong and ignore the millions things done right.
 

WhiteHawk

Banned
You see how they have blinded him? They are dividing us, only through the truth can we uncover the rot within our own institutions! The "Good Queen" is a ZIONIST PAWN!!! Let us not fight amongst ourselves my good man, that is what they want. See past the illusions they have laid before you!

What is your title and rank sir? I mean to see if you are a poor nobleman blinded by spite or a proletarian who somehow entered the Interweb. Needless to say, I have my copy of the Almanach De Gotha on standby.
 
I do not have the misfortune of being born into the nobility that has been so easily manipulated. If you do not wish to listen, then I leave you to your fate when the establishment has cannibalized itself after it is unable to satisfy it's gluttony. Then it will take but a breath of fresh air to knock the hollow shell from it's perch.
 

WhiteHawk

Banned
I do not have the misfortune of being born into the nobility that has been so easily manipulated. If you do not wish to listen, then I leave you to your fate when the establishment has cannibalized itself after it is unable to satisfy it's gluttony. Then it will take but a breath of fresh air to knock the hollow shell from it's perch.

God Willing a state security force takes you out quickly. You are probably either a Jew or being controlled by one.
 

WhiteHawk

Banned
OOC: I can't stop laughing

OOC: it's so fun to be an evil aristocrat

IC: I notice the oh so powerful liberator "Crusader's Prospo" has disappeared. In all likelihood he has slunk back into the little cave where he lives hand to mouth on stolen food and Jewish bribes.
 
I always find it amusing when republicans point to Russia as an example of the prosperity and peace creating power of representative government, or even, just as likely, "liberalism" as a whole. Yes, Russia's rich, powerful, and I'm sure a nice place to live -- but can anybody seriously look at the vast natural resources they have available and seriously imagining them being anything else? Russia was always going to be a "beacon of Europe" ("and the world"), regardless of their(s or the world's) political evolution.

Russia and Argentina had functioning basic forms of state welfare as early as the 1940s...

There were earlier 19th Century predecessors in Canada and Britain, if we take a broader definition of "modern welfare".

OOC: When I read the "Russian history" parts of the thread, I couldn't (as a proud American) resist taking a jab at OTL's (Ameri-sceptic) economic determinists :p
 
What is your title and rank sir? I mean to see if you are a poor nobleman blinded by spite or a proletarian who somehow entered the Interweb. Needless to say, I have my copy of the Almanach De Gotha on standby.

If there's something worse than a republican is a classist and imperialist monarchist.

When the Suebic Crown Restoration Caucus succeeds, and we have overthrown the backwards King of Spain out of the west of the Iberian Peninsule, every Galician will automatically, by right of birth, obtain a nobility rank* according to their wealth or education.
And by restoring the PIP (Primus Inter Pares), we will choose our own king using the traditional formula "We, who are the same as you, and together are better than you, chose you as our King".

The King of Spain has lost the Mandate of Heaven!

*OOC: In the earlier times of the Castillian Monarchy, all the Basques were traditionally considered at least "hidalgos" ("sons of something", opposite to peasants who would be sons of nothing, i guess), which was the lowest rank of the nobility. So i am just switching this from the Basques to the Galicians, Galicians in the Suebic sense, though.
A system where the nobility had say and vote in the governance, like in the Polish Commonwealth, and where almost all the population had at least the lowest rank of nobility, would work as a universal suffrage democracy.
 
If there's something worse than a republican is a classist and imperialist monarchist.

When the Suebic Crown Restoration Caucus succeeds, and we have overthrown the backwards King of Spain out of the west of the Iberian Peninsule, every Galician will automatically, by right of birth, obtain a nobility rank* according to their wealth or education.
And by restoring the PIP (Primus Inter Pares), we will choose our own king using the traditional formula "We, who are the same as you, and together are better than you, chose you as our King".

The King of Spain has lost the Mandate of Heaven!

*OOC: In the earlier times of the Castillian Monarchy, all the Basques were traditionally considered at least "hidalgos" ("sons of something", opposite to peasants who would be sons of nothing, i guess), which was the lowest rank of the nobility. So i am just switching this from the Basques to the Galicians, Galicians in the Suebic sense, though.
A system where the nobility had say and vote in the governance, like in the Polish Commonwealth, and where almost all the population had at least the lowest rank of nobility, would work as a universal suffrage democracy.

IC: Well, I hope it IS a step up: Alfonso XIV hasn't exactly been too good of a ruler.....

Though I should point out that not all republicans are assholes: In fact, most of us Canadians are quite decent.

OOC: That's some pretty interesting stuff. :cool:
 
I always find it amusing when republicans point to Russia as an example of the prosperity and peace creating power of representative government, or even, just as likely, "liberalism" as a whole. Yes, Russia's rich, powerful, and I'm sure a nice place to live -- but can anybody seriously look at the vast natural resources they have available and seriously imagining them being anything else? Russia was always going to be a "beacon of Europe" ("and the world"), regardless of their(s or the world's) political evolution.



There were earlier 19th Century predecessors in Canada and Britain, if we take a broader definition of "modern welfare".

OOC: When I read the "Russian history" parts of the thread, I couldn't (as a proud American) resist taking a jab at OTL's (Ameri-sceptic) economic determinists :p


Also hardly as Republican as these trolls pretend. The emperor can veto any law he wants to any time he wants. More importantly the Duma represents the rich. Only those with a net worth of at least 5 million rubles or an income of over a half a million rubles a year get to vote to be represented in the Duma. This is less than 0.1% of the population. It isn't like they let mere peasants vote! The peasants and the factory workers are left in the gutter where they belong.

OOC: I agree with Whitehawk it can be fun to play the evil aristocrat once in a while!
 
Also hardly as Republican as these trolls pretend. The emperor can veto any law he wants to any time he wants. More importantly the Duma represents the rich. Only those with a net worth of at least 5 million rubles or an income of over a half a million rubles a year get to vote to be represented in the Duma. This is less than 0.1% of the population. It isn't like they let mere peasants vote! The peasants and the factory workers are left in the gutter where they belong.

OOC: I agree with Whitehawk it can be fun to play the evil aristocrat once in a while!

While surely the commoners should know their place, I would not go so far as to declare they 'belong in the gutter', for that would spell resentment and leave them vulnerable to be manipulated by the Robespierres of the world. Yet I agree that only in certain rare instances where a commoner would show only truly extraordinary ability would they earn their way into government and become nobles. That's why we have the Civil Service exams, to identify such people through rigorous testing and thus be trusted with the apparatus of the state.
 
Also hardly as Republican as these trolls pretend. The emperor can veto any law he wants to any time he wants. More importantly the Duma represents the rich. Only those with a net worth of at least 5 million rubles or an income of over a half a million rubles a year get to vote to be represented in the Duma. This is less than 0.1% of the population. It isn't like they let mere peasants vote!

Not from Russia I take it? It's just you seem to be confusing a few things here -- the 5 million or 500,000/yr deal only applies to people running for Duma, for example. Also legally at least, any adult citizen in Russia has the right to vote for their representatives, though, in practice, there are many ways some rural places prevent the poor from voting through things like poll taxes, but then our big some cities like St Petersburg take measures to make sure every citizen in the city casts their ballot... actually, it's all a little complicated, so I get why a non-Russian could get these things a little confused.
 
Not from Russia I take it? It's just you seem to be confusing a few things here -- the 5 million or 500,000/yr deal only applies to people running for Duma, for example. Also legally at least, any adult citizen in Russia has the right to vote for their representatives, though, in practice, there are many ways some rural places prevent the poor from voting through things like poll taxes, but then our big some cities like St Petersburg take measures to make sure every citizen in the city casts their ballot... actually, it's all a little complicated, so I get why a non-Russian could get these things a little confused.

At least the poll taxes are slowly disappearing in Russia.....as a contrast, look at Korea's Japanese minority: STILL treated like shit even after all this time. And the poll taxes, and all the other discriminatory measures aren't going away anytime soon in Korea.....:(
 
At least the poll taxes are slowly disappearing in Russia...

Yeah, it's a little weird being in a country that's becoming more, er, "democratic" (I guess would be the word), while our "allies" become more "stratified" [unequal], and still be so hostile to the "republics" and "social monarchies" (as China likes to call itself). Most empires or states couldn't go through this kind of evolution without aligning themselves with (what they would no doubt call) the more "progressive" powers; but that's us I suppose, always the realists.
 
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