DBWI Red Germany didn't reform it's economy

[Mako-Chan]

Suppose Communist Germany hadn't begun reforming its economy in the late 1960's to better compete with the other powers. What would the consequences of a truly Communist Germany be? Would the American Pact be the sole superpower today (or would they share that status with White Russia or some other nations?).

(OOC: The AP consists of OTL's US, Canada and Mexico. Red Germany is similar to OTL's PRC.)

 

[Straha]

Consider that the AP's move to being a supranational organization(as in a united state) may be delayed without the Red threat so the AP stays as an economic union and military alliancel onger. Instead of happening in 1981 the Consolidation talks may happen in 1995.

 

[Straha]

Red Germany would collapse like how the communist federation of Zaire/the cental african red empire. I still remember the propaganda depicting Commisar Mobutu as a horrible bestial gorilla wearing a crown and cracking whips. Course that IS to be expected since WTF was a communist leader doing spending the state budget on his coronation....

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

Well....

While it is certainly true that the Third Reich was formed under the leadership of Rosa Luxembourg, Karl Liebknecht and Paul Levi (e.g. Leo Jogiches, Clara Zetkin, Paul Levi, Paul Frolich, Willi Münzenberg, Jurgen Zethner, Franz Mehring and Ernst Meyer would be later added onto the mythos of Tomorrow the World (1936) by Leni Riefenstahl). The survival of the Reich can be attributed to the wartime actions (c. 1939-1948) of Walter Ulbricht. Imagine a world wherein the legacies of the Spartacist Uprising of 1918 was allowed to collapse? You might have a fascist power like the White Russians or the American Pact (AP).

As for the American Pact, after the rise of President for Life William Dudley Pelley (N-PA) in 1936, it is hard to imagine a world wherein America is anything more than a military garrison. Maybe President John "Cactus Jack" Garner is able to oppose the 1934 People's Uprising by the Minutemen Militia under General Smedley D. Butler. Or maybe you have the "Cristeros Rebellion" (1926-1933) remain south of the Rio Grande, rather than hitting the American cities of Albuquerque, Phoenix, Dallas-Ft. Worth, El Paso, and San Diego....

 

[Redbeard]

If the communist government hadn't started the reforms back then we might have become communist - sometime! After all it was some very beautiful ideals - if just everybody followed the ideals. I imagine villages with houses painted in bright colours and happy and beautiful people enjoying the freedom of no personal property...ahhh

Regards

Steffen Redbeard

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

If the communist government hadn't started the reforms back then we might have become communist - sometime! After all it was some very beautiful ideals - if just everybody followed the ideals. I imagine villages with houses painted in bright colours and happy and beautiful people enjoying the freedom of no personal property...ahhh

Regards

Steffen Redbeard

Well who says that Germans still don't aspire to a Marxist Socialist state? Consider that the current economic plan since 1989 under Erich Honnecker has been seen as a "transitional state" towards the creation of a more equitable state. A sudden leap would be undesirable, and probably have left teh country witht he same chaos and political disaster as Communist Zaire. After they introduced "political openness" in 1986, without the proper economic reforms, collapse by 1994 was inevitable...

 

[Nicole]

The American Pact as sole superpower? Remember the 1940s invasion of the Dominion of Canada, setting up the puppet states of the Republic of Canada, the Republic of Newfoundland, and the Republic of Quebec that it "consolidated" in 1981?

 

[Mr_ Bondoc]

The American Pact as sole superpower? Remember the 1940s invasion of the Dominion of Canada, setting up the puppet states of the Republic of Canada, the Republic of Newfoundland, and the Republic of Quebec that it "consolidated" in 1981?

Well, with the "Defence Scheme Number One" being devised by the former head of Military Operations and Intelligence (MOI) General J. Sutherland-Brown in October 1941, it was almost certain that the United States would have to use "War Plan Red". Then you had the declaration of martial law under P.M. William Lyon Mackenzie King in Toronto in November 1941. With Canadian provincial militias attacking the cities of Albany, Minneapolis, Seattle, and other northern cities, according to the Hearst press, it was almost certain that President William Dudley Pelley would win approval for his "War on Terror"....