DBWI: Recent Discovery of the Koran

I recently read at the CNN website about the archaeological discovery in a cave outside of Medina of a book called the Koran. Apparently, that book was based on the teachings of some Arabian shepherd from the 7th century named Mohammad.

According to the article, this Koran is the Bible for a religion I never heard of called Islam.

Can anybody else shed some light on this? I can barely fathom such a religion gaining followers and it would be ASB if such a thing actually happened.
 
From what little I have read in the news it seems to be some kind of attempted fusion between Zoroastrianism and Christianity, can anyone confirm? The sources aren't very detailed. Perhaps if it had gained followers the millenia of religious bloodshed and warfare might never have happened...
 

mowque

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From what little I have read in the news it seems to be some kind of attempted fusion between Zoroastrianism and Christianity, can anyone confirm? The sources aren't very detailed. Perhaps if it had gained followers the millenia of religious bloodshed and warfare might never have happened...

Nothing can avoid that. Just different slogans being yelled.
 
I recently read at theCNN website about the archaeological discovery in a cave outside of Medina of a book called the Koran.

Now, when you say CNN, are you talking about Constantinople National Network (the Empire's public service broadcaster), or the Christian North News (the official news source of Northern Traditionalists, direct from St. Konrads in Hamburg)?

I'm assuming the former, since the Northern Pope[1] probably wouldn't have much to say on this subject.

[1] (OOC: Almost said the Hamburger Pope)
 
Now, when you say CNN, are you talking about Constantinople National Network (the Empire's public service broadcaster), or the Christian North News (the official news source of Northern Traditionalists, direct from St. Konrads in Hamburg)?

I'm assuming the former, since the Northern Pope[1] probably wouldn't have much to say on this subject.

[1] (OOC: Almost said the Hamburger Pope)
He probably mant Constantinople, nobody outside the Five Bishoprics gets ChristNorth any more (Thank God).
 
(OOC: Can I just point out something? The thread title is misleading: as "WI" means "What If", it looks like it's asking, within the context of the Double-Blind, "What if the Koran was only recently discovered?" Rather than the opposite, that is. It's the equivalent of posting a What-If about JFK never being assassinated and titling it "WI JFK assassination".)
 
Fascinating...this would be right about the same time as the Arab Explosion and all the invasions of Roman and Persian territory. How bad might the crisis of 632 have been if the tribes were united under some homogenising religion?

OOC: Hamburger Pope...sounds like a Japanese fast food chain.
 
Fascinating...this would be right about the same time as the Arab Explosion and all the invasions of Roman and Persian territory. How bad might the crisis of 632 have been if the tribes were united under some homogenising religion?

Maybe if their religious identity turned out to be strong enough to keep them united despite tribal rivalries, they would not have been assimilated and conquered so easily by the Persians...
 
I'm currently writing a timeline where the islamic armadas defeat the Mexica fleet and prevent the great scourge of the west.... Perhaps there would be a distinct culture on the islands of Alba if they hadn't all been sacrificed to Satan.
 

Hendryk

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Fascinating...this would be right about the same time as the Arab Explosion and all the invasions of Roman and Persian territory. How bad might the crisis of 632 have been if the tribes were united under some homogenising religion?
The Arab expansion was impressive enough as it was, with a religious element added to it that would have been a civilizational watershed--for better or for worse is a question nobody will ever be able to answer.

I mean, look at what happened when the Mongols expanded under the leadership of a self-styled avatar of Buddha Maitreya. Apart from Europe west of the Elba, the entire Eurasian landmass was conquered in barely three generations, and two-thirds of mankind are Vajrayana Buddhist to this day. It's perfectly possible that the Arabs might have pulled off something like that, instead of forging a large but ultimately short-lived empire, much like the Huns before them.
 

Spengler

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ooc you know that the rise of islam can be argued to have influenced the decline of eastern christianity.

This religion was probably a strange gnostic sect that would have come to nothing. according to my ardawan it could be that Pīd ī Wuzurgīh in fact tried to spread tthe word to other peoples. But he was probably just a false prophet. Hendryk thats only if you use that definition very loosely most "budhists" are religions unto themselves that aknoledge that Budha played a part.
 
I'm currently writing a timeline where the islamic armadas defeat the Mexica fleet and prevent the great scourge of the west.... Perhaps there would be a distinct culture on the islands of Alba if they hadn't all been sacrificed to Satan.

I don't know, I think this would completely butterfly Caledonian discovery of the New World, let alone their conflicts with the Mexica.

I suppose the Mexica might still rise and try to conquer the Islands of Alba, or whatever they'd call the islands between Avalon and Braseel in this timeline... that would probably be inevitable. But, without the Caledonian discovery, there's no Satanist Heresy arising among the insurgents in Mexica, and while pre-Christian Mexican religions allowed for human sacrifice, they were nothing like Satanism.

But you're right, if the scourge hadn't happened, those islands wouldn't today be just one big corporate sugar and coconut factory.
 
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Spengler

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Satanism is one of those weird religions at least to me personally. It supposes that there can be some end to the duality that is the universe. I mean a religion founded upon glorifying some obscure rebel whose sole purpose is to drive this rebels adversaries worshipers from this planet just seems strange.
 
According to some 7th Century documents at the Mount Sinai monastery, this shepherd was called something like al' Mu Hamad. Apparently after his death in battle his family fled Arabia Major and settled in the Dead Sea region, eventually converting to a minor sect of Judaism
 
Satanism is one of those weird religions at least to me personally. It supposes that there can be some end to the duality that is the universe. I mean a religion founded upon glorifying some obscure rebel whose sole purpose is to drive this rebels adversaries worshipers from this planet just seems strange.

Kind of a good thing it died out a few generations later after it started turning suicidal.
 

Spengler

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Oh I Know its just that such a group really seems to be born out of a story rather than history itself. NOw back to the Koran I've been watching the archeologists pod cast and according to them the Quran seemned to be different than what I had been guessing with comparing it to gnosticism. It seems to have had a view of an evil force as a tmpter that was allowed to exist by what it calls Allah by which I assume is the arab version of Yahweh.
 
Oh I Know its just that such a group really seems to be born out of a story rather than history itself. NOw back to the Koran I've been watching the archeologists pod cast and according to them the Quran seemned to be different than what I had been guessing with comparing it to gnosticism. It seems to have had a view of an evil force as a tmpter that was allowed to exist by what it calls Allah by which I assume is the arab version of Yahweh.

So it seems like another sect of Judaism. Honestly, it just seems to be another holy book. Uh, the people get another cult. Cult of Islam.
 
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