DBWI: Rabin is assasinated.
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You might not have had the 2000 Jerusalem Accords, a pivotal event in the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process. In 2001, Rabin became the first person to win a second Nobel Peace Prize for his involvement in the accords. In his memoirs former President Al Gore reflected that if not for Rabin he might've lost to Bush in 2000: without the accords, Jewish turnout would've been lower and this could've flipped Florida and New Hampshire to the Republican ticket.
Dolan
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Only for Gore to mishandle the 2003 financial slump by keep insisting environmental regulations, resulted in what was said to be the breakup of Clinton-era economic bubble due to oil lockdown.
What was supposed to be a minor slump ended up Gore's presidency in a disappointing note as we see John McCain elected as President and subsequently took credit for restoring the economy.
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At least the two-state solution works and Israel-Palestine conflict become thing of the past.
Not entirely a thing of the past. There's still some ethnic violence within Israel and Palestine, and tensions between Jews and Muslims haven't been eliminated. But they were certainly reduced by the 2000 accords.
I don't think Gore's tenure was such a failure. True, his handling of domestic policy was a disappointment. But Gore's response to the 9/11 attacks was solid. Even McCain praised Gore's foreign policy in his 2005 inaugural address.
Well, sure there are tensions and ethnic violence from time to time but it’s not worse than in Bosnia, Cyprus or Northern Ireland, things will take some more time to completely cool down after almost 50 years of conflict.
Scary thought: W in charge in 2008. The real estate bubble might have turned into a full blown economic crisis. J-Mac barely survived the election and only because most people didn't take a major hit.
Anglocalvinist67
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I don't think there would have been that much of a change. The people of Israel would have recoiled from the right of the political spectrum as a result of the assassin being a fanatical far Rightist. Peres would have led the Government for the rest of the 90s, at least, and he was if anything more committed to the peace process than Rabin.
Dolan
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Well, J-Mac definitely has a solid grasp on the economy while more or less achieved mutually satisfying consensus with the Democrats on foreign policy. The Republican vs Democrat contention from 2012 onward was and still is on domestic and social policies only.
Nowadays it is unthinkable for both American parties to not having a solid consensus on foreign policy and present an united front, but maybe, if things get worse due to Rabin's assassination, both parties would become the total opposite if each others, even in foreign policy outlook.
When former President McCain died last year, it really hit me hard. I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for him, but he turned out to be a damn fine leader. His handling of Hurricane Katrina and his decision to kick Russia out of the G-8 in 2008 (in response to Putin's invasion of Georgia) were spot-on. Though he didn't do much to address the economic inequality that resulted from the 2009 recession.
I'd imagine that the Israeli Labor Party would have even bigger majorities than in OTL. Look at the sympathy vote garnered for LBJ following JFK'S death- and then imagine if Oswald was a John Bircher. Shimon Peres would succeed Rabin and win an even bigger victory in the 1996 elections than Rabin did. Rabin waved the bloody shirt against Netanyahu effectively in 1996, tying Yigal Amir to opponents of the Oslo Accords in the Likud Party. If Rabin were an actual martyr, I think it possible that the Israeli right would be wiped out entirely. Natan Sharansky would never become Prime Minister, and the Herut Party wouldn't win even a dozen seats in the Knesset. Herzog would enjoy majorities the size of Ben-Gurion's. I would also think Kahanist terrorism against Palestinians would be reduced as the Knesset would be even tougher than in OTL.
This is a right wing myth that conflates differing controversies of the Gore administration. While Gore's efforts to bypass Congress and enforce the Kyoto Protocols by executive action were unpopular, there's no evidence the Kyoto Protocols were responsible for the recessions of the 2000s.
This is a right wing myth that conflates differing controversies of the Gore administration. While Gore's efforts to bypass Congress and enforce the Kyoto Protocols by executive action were unpopular, there's no evidence the Kyoto Protocols were responsible for the recessions of the 2000s.
In defense of @Dolan, he wasn't specifically blaming the Kyoto Protocol for the 2001-03 recession. (Though some on the right did at the time). The early 2000s recession was bound to happen after the growth of the 1990s, and I think most people know it wasn't Gore's fault. @Dolan was simply arguing that Gore mishandled the situation, not that he caused it.
Where I would critique Gore is the fact because the recession was only a mild one, he thought that he didn't need to take serious action on it and he prioritized foreign policy. While the War in Afghanistan was a success (and Bin Laden was killed at Tora Bora in December 2001), Gore was seen as uninterested in doing anything substantial about the weakening economy. This was a major factor in his loss in 2004.
Totally ASB. Dude didnt even get his father's approval to run, was known as inept, and was disliked in his resident state. The only thing going for him is his name.
Well, he ran a pretty close race against Gore. And he was popular enough in his home state to be elected Senator in 2002. I doubt that Dubya would really have been that bad.
W is the Fredo of the Bush family.
He would have been bad, but it's a stretch to think he would have caused a full blown economic meltdown, handled Katrina badly, AND caused a foreign policy mess.
Dolan
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he would be somewhat less effective, more gaffe prone version of J-Mac.
But yeah, Senator Dubya was primaried by Senator Cruzin 2014, who accused him of not being Christian enough, and it was successful takeover.
Nazi Space Spy
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The McCain/Wellstone race in 2008 is a really underlooked POD on this site. The Democratic nominee was just way too liberal for the country at that time, and regardless if Kyoto had any real impact, the perception more or less stuck. It’s a major factor that led to the rightward drift of the GOP base even as McCain hugged the center. After all, Trump ended up beating Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, and Ron Paul in the 2012 primaries running against McCain’s legacy. Of course he then got walloped by Hillary and the independent Huntsman candidacy didn’t help, but still.
Huntsman going third party pretty much guaranteed that Clinton would win. She also carried a Democratic Congress on her coattails, giving her the votes to enact healthcare reform in 2014.
And as details came out about how DT won those primaries in.. questionable ways, especially Virginia, it hurt the GOP so bad they lost 2016 to Clinton again. But that's best for Chat. Is there anyway for the GOP to win 12?
For the GOP to win in 2012, the Democrats would've had to win in 2008. McCain was probably too popular to beat in 2008. So what if Gore loses in 2000, Bush wins in 2004, and a Democrat wins in 2008? That would create a situation where the Republicans can exploit anger over the economy and win in 2012.