DBWI: Prince Charles was born Straight

in light of his Son's wedding one has to wonder about HRH The Prince of Wales' marriage to Lady Diana, how would things be different if Charles hadn't been in a relationship with a number of different men over that time? that is to say what if Charles was straight?
 

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in light of his Son's wedding one has to wonder about HRH The Prince of Wales' marriage to Lady Diana, how would things be different if Charles hadn't been in a relationship with a number of different men over that time? that is to say what if Charles was straight?

He was?

Apparently he was caught numerous times doing the beast with two backs with his valet!
 

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Well, he wouldn't have left his beautiful wife for Camilla...


Oops, that actually did happen.

My bad.
 
OOC: If Charles was gay it would be no more confirmable than the same sex behaviour of Tom Cruise, John Travolta, or Paul Newman (oh, yes, you read that right).
 
OOC: If Charles was gay it would be no more confirmable than the same sex behaviour of Tom Cruise, John Travolta, or Paul Newman (oh, yes, you read that right).

OCC: if he still was married to Diana she'd out him in a heart beat when the marriage was going side ways.
 

Orsino

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OOC: Maybe I'm missing the joke, but I understand there were rumours about Charles' sexuality, so are you asking what would happen if he came out openly?
 
OCC: if he still was married to Diana she'd out him in a heart beat when the marriage was going side ways.

I reckon she might refrain from outing Charles for the sake of the children. Doesn't matter how cool we think she was with cultural matters, she was a woman of a certain (upper)middle class cohort--young enough to benefit from the sexual revolution and feminism, but a tad too old to automatically believe that society at large was progressively liberal on GLBT issues. F'rinstance, a quick Internet search shows she never made any noises about supporting gay marriage.

And IIRC she was pretty oblique when referring to the female CPB during the famous Martin Bashir interview.

OOC: Paul Newman is dead. He was bisexual.

Even now I'm still asking myself, "How can Paul Newman be dead?":(

But I do think the public record of his sexuality is still pretty sketchy, and it's not like he wasn't a star for half a century. Though of course he wasn't an heir to the royal thrown, but still. These things can be hidden by the famous.
 
But I do think the public record of his sexuality is still pretty sketchy, and it's not like he wasn't a star for half a century. Though of course he wasn't an heir to the royal thrown, but still. These things can be hidden by the famous.
OOC: He was married basically continuously from age 24 -- before he became famous -- up until his death. Unless he committed adultery there wouldn't be any "public record".
 
. F'rinstance, a quick Internet search shows she never made any noises about supporting gay marriage..

She died in 1997. I'm not sure if gay marriage was as big of an issue prior to that as it was in the last 10 years in the UK. If so, then it's unfair to say that she didn't come out on something that wasn't considered an issue at the time. She worked with various AIDS charities and had friends who were gay, like Elton John. It's possible she could have been open to the idea of gay marriage.

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OOC: He was married basically continuously from age 24 -- before he became famous -- up until his death. Unless he committed adultery there wouldn't be any "public record".

I'm talking tabloid and MSM reports, and autobiographies (if not biographies), as per Brando.

Shit, I don't think Gore Vidal ever wrote anything fingering his friend Newman as a bi, and Vidal admitted to having sex with Kerouac!

She died in 1997. I'm not sure if gay marriage was as big of an issue prior to that as it was in the last 10 years in the UK. If so, then it's unfair to say that she didn't come out on something that wasn't considered an issue at the time. She worked with various AIDS charities and had friends who were gay, like Elton John. It's possible she could have been open to the idea of gay marriage.

The issue of gay marriage aside, I think Diana's maternal feelings for the GLBT community (I don't think I exaggerate there) may actually stop her outing Charles, as she wouldn't want to be seen to be homophobic, nor would she want to do anything that might provoke hate speech/crimes.
 
The issue of gay marriage aside, I think Diana's maternal feelings for the GLBT community (I don't think I exaggerate there) may actually stop her outing Charles, as she wouldn't want to be seen to be homophobic, nor would she want to do anything that might provoke hate speech/crimes.

I think that the LGBT community has long since santified Diana and given her feelings that really didn't exist.
 
I think that the LGBT community has long since santified Diana and given her feelings that really didn't exist.

I have no idea what Diana's exact views were on gay rights, (does anyone) but it's ludicrous to suppose she had any strongly against; as mentioned, she was friends with Elton, moved in pretty cosmpolitan circles, and at the time of her death was known to be pretty pally with people in New Labour.
 
Wasn't Charles in a relationship with Camila before marrying Diana, but was refused to be allowed to marry Camila for being to low a social class?

Charles and Camilla were quite serious in their 20s IIRC, but she was deemed unsuitable by the Queen because of her previous romantic history. IOW she was not a virgin. This allegedly was one reason a mate as relatively young as Diana was chosen. That is no longer a disqualification, as recent history shows.
 
Probably the main reason why Charles didn't marry Camilla first is for the simple reason that by the time Charles started to seriously think about marriage, (mid-to-late seventies) Camilla was already married. Obviously, that presented a bit of a barrier to her marrying Charles.
 
I think that the LGBT community has long since santified Diana and given her feelings that really didn't exist.

Oh, she wasn't exactly a radical pro-gay advocate, yet it did mean something to Western middle class opinion when she went and hugged an AIDs baby for the cameras in, I think, South Africa. She's one of the first truly safe, middlebrow celebrities to do that kind of thing.

When it came to her relationships with the GLBT community I think I'm right to invoke 'maternal feelings', in that that sounds just like an equivalent of ideological paternalism.
 
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