DBWI: PM Thatcher?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by King Jasper, Jul 21, 2019.

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Would the UK be better or worse with a PM Thatcher?

  1. Better

    26 vote(s)
    37.7%
  2. Worse

    43 vote(s)
    62.3%
  1. Bahamut-255 Space Lover

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    Hmm, hard to say, but I'm inclined to agree, if only because - as you said - BR by the 1980's was in dire need of funding, but more importantly, massive upgrading and modernisation.

    But then this was true of just about the whole of the UK Industrial Sector...


    I have a rather different question though.


    What do you think would've been the case concerning the UK itself? As in the UK as an entity? Had Thatcher become PM?

    IIRC Independence Movements (SNP being a quite obvious example) saw quite a surge during the 1970's - as the economy reeled from Stagflation - but it seems to me that it's kinda petered out since. But had the worst predictions of Laissez-Faire come to pass - or even if just some of it - could this have been enough to give them the boost they needed to properly break through? Combined with the lack of regional governments?*


    And speaking of Europe (and the EU), yeah, even under Thatcher, I can't see the UK going all in, under any scenario. In fact, IIRC, the country seems happy enough with our current Economic Union arrangements, and nothing more.**


    * - When you think about it, this was actually quite a smart move. The semi-federalist design (as I see it) we have at this time has actually been something of a boon to Labour and the Alliance Party - and even helped the Conservative Party remain somewhat relevant in places. By associating themselves with handing Power down closer to the People, nipping Independence Movements in the bud, and (oddly enough) going quite some way to keeping the Union intact.

    ** - OOC: Think Norway IOTL
     
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  2. Railmotive Friendly, law abiding citizen who should post more

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    What about Britain’s computer industry? If is wasn’t for the Liberal and Labour interventions I doubt Sinclair or Acorn would be around today, Acorn OS is the most widely used OS in the entire UK and I find it hard to imagine anyone without a Sinclair Spectrum phone.

    Furthermore it was under the Liberal government that saw Sinclair develop the massively successful C10 electric car instead of the quite frankly awful C5 (I still don’t see what sir Clive saw in that thing) which helped kickstart the electric car industry of which we are now a world leader in.
     
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  3. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    Funny how everyone forgets that "Granny Thatcher" took the milk out of children's mouths when she scrapped the free school milk as Education Secretary.
     
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  4. Dolan Lookin fer Gooby

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    Those who didn't know: "What? Really? That's so messed up!"

    Those who know: "She took the milk, turn them into ice cream, and sold them for profit."

    Yeah, to think about it "Colonel" Sanders turned out to be just a mule driver seems less cringy than Granny Thatcher. But you can't deny that her ice creams are simply delicious.
     
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  5. Thomas1195 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, without government support, those companies would have been crushed by American and Japanese competition during the late 1990s.
     
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  6. thevaliant Soviet Socialist

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    OOC: Did you mean 1975 to 1978? Because if she was leader in 1974, it means she somehow unseated Heath earlier then she might've fought the October 1974 GE (if even one was held).
    I know you probably meant 1975, but its now interesting to speculate a 1974 arrival for Thatcher. She might've lost October 1974 like Heath and then been ousted herself (especially if its a bad defeat - 'too soon for a woman' would be a cry from some quarters) and replaced, perhaps by a laughing Heath, who would not spend the next twenty five years sulking.
     
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  7. Dr Dee New Member

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    I have a feeling that if Thatcher had become PM, things wouldn't have turned out well for our car industry. Maybe it would've been flogged to the Japanese or eventually closed down. You can forget anything about British Leyland's recent acquisition of BMW; back in the 70s, BL was a basket case and it took vast amounts of investment and political will to keep faith with a company that probably didn't deserve it at the time. Now it's the biggest car company in the world, and it's amusing to think how everyone seems to have developed a collective amnesia about objects like the Austin Allegro. Funnily enough, you really have to look hard to find an example of one of them at the company's World HQ and Museum in Warwickshire. It's hidden behind all the shiny hi tech exhibits from the 80s and 90s.
     
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  8. hammo1j Member Donor

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    As a community we are much better.

    The cold war goes on but I dont see us as much difference between us.

    Dynamo Moscow won the European cup.

    Andropov was talking on economic Union like the socialists in France
     
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