DBWI : Ottoman Turks keep their rule on Balkan and Asia Minor

Dolan

Banned
Background: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Yahya

It is quite amusing that the Greeks could be conquered, but somehow they always end up conquering their own conquerors.

One hundred and sixty-five years after Fall of Constantinople in 1453, it would be the Orthodox army under the leadership of then Prince Yahya, son of then Sultan Murad III, end up taking control of the city in 1618, where the Patriarch of Constantinople end up crowning him not as an Ottoman Sultan, but as the New Roman Emperor Alexander II of the Restored Eastern Roman Empire.

Sure, even with his and his successors' efforts to reclaim the lost Roman Lands in the East, the Revived Roman Empire could only take Asia minor while the Turks and their later Muslim successor states end up keeping the Levantine area and Egypt.

Of course, by the 19th century, the Revived Eastern Roman Empire has been basically indistinguishable from the other European monarchs and has very close ties with the Russian Empire, being fellow Orthodox (and let's be fair, many of Basileos Alexandros II's men being Russian Volunteer fighting side by side with Greeks).

So... Let's say that in this scenario, Prince Yahya failed to take Constantinople by inciting Greek Rebellions against their Ottoman overlords, and thus there is no Yahyanid Restoration of the Roman Empire. Let's assume the Ottoman would then stay at the Balkans...

What will happen Next?
 
Ooc: Yahya has zero chance to get support for the throne, not in 1618. You may want to change the PoD. Ottomans in a Civil War while Yahya fakes his conversion back to Islam only to turn back Christian.
 
OOC: I would read the hell out of this timeline if it were even a little bit plausible.

IC: I imagine a resumption of hostilities between the Ottomans and Russia? You've mentioned how Yahya's army was chock full of Russian volunteers, maybe that's enough to anger the Ottomans? The two sides fought in the 16th Century after all.
 

Dolan

Banned
Ooc: Yahya has zero chance to get support for the throne, not in 1618. You may want to change the PoD. Ottomans in a Civil War while Yahya fakes his conversion back to Islam only to turn back Christian.
OOC : He did took parts in Serbian and Greek Orthodox revolts as 1614-1617, all while managed to have Russia sent ships and Cossacks to help him. He did managed to become thorn to the Ottomans until his death at 1648. Let's say in this DBWI, he somehow become more successful in his endeavor. Sure, historically his army is indeed full of Russians and lacking real Greek supports, but let's suppose this time he did manage to motivate the Greeks.

Still OOC : During the same time, Ottoman Empire did end up being ultimately defeated in Ottoman-Savavid War. It is not a stretch that better Persian performances end up forcing the Turks to focus on the East before Yahya attacks through his Russian Ships.


IC: I imagine a resumption of hostilities between the Ottomans and Russia? You've mentioned how Yahya's army was chock full of Russian volunteers, maybe that's enough to anger the Ottomans? The two sides fought in the 16th Century after all.


IC :
Yeah, that was kind of sure thing, the Boyars and Tsar Mikhail did gave him enermous support in exchange of promised concessions within the Orthodox Church and usage of Bosphoros strait.

If somehow Ahmed managed to defeat Yahya, instead of dying during the siege, maybe the Ottomans will end up sending punitive expedition to Russia instead?
 
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It was inevitable - despite the best efforts to flood Europe with Turks, a few corners aside, the Balkans remained steadfastly Orthodox Christian, and as such, the dream of restoring Rome still lives.

Frankly, it was inevitable that one Ottoman prince or another would look at that divide, and seek to take advantage of it. If not than, than one of the neighboring European powers would have driven out the Turks and claimed it for their own, be it Austria, the Russians, or even the Italians. This was a few decades removed from Lepanto, the start of the long decline of the Turks.
 
OOC : He did took parts in Serbian and Greek Orthodox revolts as 1614-1617, all while managed to have Russia sent ships and Cossacks to help him. He did managed to become thorn to the Ottomans until his death at 1648. Let's say in this DBWI, he somehow become more successful in his endeavor. Sure, historically his army is indeed full of Russians and lacking real Greek supports, but let's suppose this time he did manage to motivate the Greeks.

Still OOC : During the same time, Ottoman Empire did end up being ultimately defeated in Ottoman-Savavid War. It is not a stretch that better Persian performances end up forcing the Turks to focus on the East before Yahya attacks through his Russian Ships.





IC :
Yeah, that was kind of sure thing, the Boyars and Tsar Mikhail did gave him enermous support in exchange of promised concessions within the Orthodox Church and usage of Bosphoros strait.

If somehow Ahmed managed to defeat Yahya, instead of dying during the siege, maybe the Ottomans will end up sending punitive expedition to Russia instead?

Ooc: rebellions were small and harmless. And he never was a thorn in Ottoman Side as no Pasha could or want to support him as there were enough Muslim candidates to support. Supporting a Christian pretender is death sentence. And outside support was pretty non existent. Nobody cared enough to support him seriously. Rebellions were also not a threat to the Ottomans either.

Russia is not in position support any Christian pretender or rebels in the early-mid 17th century. Cossacks have no force to challenge the Ottomans remotely to let them lose Istanbul. Some small raids against Moldova and Crimea and sacking a far away neglected fort in Azov is not something that shows their abilities to help Prince Yahya.

I'm gonna end this here. If you have questions on this topic, I am willing to answer by pm. There is no point to discus here further in a DBWI thread.
 
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