DBWI: Oswald Mosley was never Prime Minister?

Why don't you tell the people in the slums about that powerful economy? Oh, sorry, you meant a good place for multinationals to do business. The rise of the Nationalists with their protectionist and xenophobic ideas is entirely the result of years of exploitation by foreign corporations which, frankly, would never have happened without the civil war Mosley helped cause.

You can't blame Mosley for poverty in the Indian Dominions. Life-standards were rising before Thatcher's privatisation of the State Industries in the Commonwealth and Empire and the break up of the Imperial Preference system he established. The rebels, who Mosley correctly saw were not a genuine manifestation of 'Indian' desires for independence but a elite of political fanatics with more interest in abstract Republican ideals than India's real traditions, were dying out before Thatcher upset the balance. God knows, if she'd had more than one term some of the Princes and the Muslims would have have broken away from the Dominion altogether.

Whatever you say about Mosley, you can't blame him for the excesses of the Monetarists and the Tories. For all the worship we give him, we'd do better attention to pay more attention to his very relevant economic policies, that our political class is doing it's best to dismantle for all there lip service. Without him, we might not have an Empire today.

And what's with all this hate the loony liberals are throwing at Fascism? Sure, it's a dictatorial system by our standards, but you should visit Italy if you think it's some how comparable to National Socialism or Bolshevism, and the threat of Bolshevism was real back then. The country is full of clean streets, sound architecture, efficient social services that don't molly coddle people like in Scandinavia, well-educated and respectful citizens and Alessandra Mussolini sure knows how to run the country and has done great work in moving Italy in a progressive direction. Sure, it's not for us because we have our parliamentary traditions but the Fascist Revolution provided Italy with a world-class government. Much better than the bloody coalition. :mad:

Remember to vote Imperial Labour in the upcoming local election! We'll get Lab-Libs and the Tories yet! Caroline Lucas and the Independent Labour Party can go to hell too!
 
You can't blame Mosley for poverty in the Indian Dominions. Life-standards were rising before Thatcher's privatisation of the State Industries in the Commonwealth and Empire and the break up of the Imperial Preference system he established. The rebels, who Mosley correctly saw were not a genuine manifestation of 'Indian' desires for independence but a elite of political fanatics with more interest in abstract Republican ideals than India's real traditions, were dying out before Thatcher upset the balance. God knows, if she'd had more than one term some of the Princes and the Muslims would have have broken away from the Dominion altogether.

Whatever you say about Mosley, you can't blame him for the excesses of the Monetarists and the Tories. For all the worship we give him, we'd do better attention to pay more attention to his very relevant economic policies, that our political class is doing it's best to dismantle for all there lip service. Without him, we might not have an Empire today.

And what's with all this hate the loony liberals are throwing at Fascism? Sure, it's a dictatorial system by our standards, but you should visit Italy if you think it's some how comparable to National Socialism or Bolshevism, and the threat of Bolshevism was real back then. The country is full of clean streets, sound architecture, efficient social services that don't molly coddle people like in Scandinavia, well-educated and respectful citizens and Alessandra Mussolini sure knows how to run the country and has done great work in moving Italy in a progressive direction. Sure, it's not for us because we have our parliamentary traditions but the Fascist Revolution provided Italy with a world-class government. Much better than the bloody coalition. :mad:

Remember to vote Imperial Labour in the upcoming local election! We'll get Lab-Libs and the Tories yet! Caroline Lucas and the Independent Labour Party can go to hell too!

Ugh I agree. We barely managed to repair the IP and we did it right before Maggie tried to lock us in with the Americans but at least she managed to keep people like Benn and Foot out while we recovered.

Imagine it, over 20 years work destroyed because they wanted everything nationalised.:mad:
 
Ugh I agree. We barely managed to repair the IP and we did it right before Maggie tried to lock us in with the Americans but at least she managed to keep people like Benn and Foot out while we recovered.

Imagine it, over 20 years work destroyed because they wanted everything nationalised.:mad:

Oh god, it hard to imagine we used to be the same party as the Indies, their almost as bad as the Gang of Four traitors in the Labour-Liberal Party. Everybody knows the Corporate State works better than State Socialism, just look at the Soviets compared to the Italian Empire.
 
Oh god, it hard to imagine we used to be the same party as the Indies, their almost as bad as the Gang of Four traitors in the Labour-Liberal Party. Everybody knows the Corporate State works better than State Socialism, just look at the Soviets compared to the Italian Empire.

Well polls say we're more popular then the coalition.

Maybe it's because they are obviously trying to encourage the Canadians to leave again or maybe it's because their best mate Ken Livingstone said that the British Empire was 'a mark on history that will be filled with shameful tears'

No please Ken tell the rebels that our government backs them.

As Mosley said 'The Majority calls for it so it must be done' when he instated The Imperial Preference System much to the whines of the left.
 
To get away from the politics for a bit (why must every thread derail into a political argument anyway?) and get back to the actual AH question, I'd say that a lot probably depends on who takes Mosley's place.

Baldwin and Chamberlain are the obvious choices for the Depression era, but Baldwin was already semi-retired OTL before the war started, and I doubt Chamberlain's cancer would get butterflied away. Odds are, we don't see as strong of a bounce-back as there was under Mosley, but Britain would eventually get its act back together regardless.

For the war itself, Halifax is the likely candidate, and by all accounts he would be a decent war leader; probably more reluctant than Mosley to start the war in the first place, but once the fighting started he would see it through. His handling of India would also be interesting, since his term as viceroy there was quite successful. He might be able to keep things a bit calmer there, but probably not that different from OTL since Mosley did consult him a few times on Indian policy.

However, even though he's not the most likely candidate, I think that without someone of Mosley's stature as PM, the field might be open to a charismatic outsider to make a return. Lloyd-George might actually be in a good position to make a comeback in a Mosley-less political field; he's got charisma, ambitious plans, he was one of the most outspoken about the German threat, and being a proven war leader never hurts. Of course, then there's the question of who takes over once Lloyd-George's health takes a turn for the worse...
 
I think Mosley did the right thing with India. I mean, look how poor and deprived the other countries in that region are. India is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, all thanks to the system Mosley created. The British imperial colonialism did some horrible things, I won't deny that, but with India it did more good than bad. Though I feel a bit sorry for Gandhi...

Oh, come on. Mosley's crackdowns on the commies and anti-war protesters were mild, compared to what other countries did with theirs. Sure, some of them got beaten to death by the police, but if you want an omelette you gotta crack a few eggs.

Sometimes, I wish Mosley was still around today. He knew how to deal with those chav kids. ;)

Why did Mosley crack down on the Communists? They were the ones most opposed to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union was the main supporter of a system of Collective Security to contain Germany.
 
Why did Mosley crack down on the Communists? They were the ones most opposed to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union was the main supporter of a system of Collective Security to contain Germany.

I think you're forgetting that the crackdown on the Communists was after Molotov-Ribbentrop and before the Nazi-Soviet war. At the time, general opinion was the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies, or at the very least working together for mutual interests, and most Western European Communist parties were under orders from Moscow to oppose the war effort.
 
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