DBWI: No Turkish-Soviet population swap.

so as we all know the treaty of Moscow of 1925 between Turkey and the USSR led to both nations swapping people and minor land adjustment. The USSR got Armenians and other "Europeans" while Turkey got ethnic Turks and other Turkic peoples.

Agree only after the Soviets offered larger scale grain and food subsidies, Mustafa Kamal Ataturk had on many occasions stated his reason for accepting was to populate his nation with hands that could work the fields, factories and firearms and proclaimed it was his single greatest achievement along with leading his nation's independence.

Between 1925-1937, about half a million people went to the USSR and 12 million Turks were moved to Turkey. By the end of the population transfer and along with population growth Turkey had more than doubled in population from 15 million in 1925 to 40 in 1950.

So WI the swap never happened how would this have affected the USSR and Turkey and the World as a whole
 
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so as we all know the treaty of Moscow of 1925 between Turkey and the USSR led to both nations swapping people and minor land adjustment. The USSR got Armenians and other "Europeans" while Turkey got ethnic Turks.

Agree only after the Soviets offered larger scale grain and food subsidies, Mustafa Kamal Ataturk had on many occasions stated his reason for accepting was to populate his nation with hands that could work the fields, factories and firearms and proclaimed it was his single greatest achievement along with leading his nation's independence.

Between 1925-1937, about half a million people went to the USSR and 12 million Turks were moved to Turkey. By the end of the population transfer and along with population growth Turkey had more than doubled in population from 15 million in 1925 to 40 in 1950.

So WI the swap never happened how would this have affected the USSR and Turkey and the World as a whole


The Turks expected the Soviets to send them Turks. The Soviets sent them Turks... and Azeris, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkmen, Kyrgyz, Tatars, etc. When they opened up the archives after the breakup of the USSR, it turns out the Soviets considered making the Circassians and Chechen's Turkey's problem too.

Turkey may not have pushed as hard on the issue of Mosul if the didn't have millions of people flooding into the country and need more space to stick them. The Soviets backed them at the league, and the French later ceded Syria east of the Euphrates following the Hatay referendum.

The Soviets had a lot of empty lands to work with, and the only folks left in Central Asia were Russians and Tajiks. There was a lot of shuffling of peoples. He stuck the Chechens, Circassians, and Dagestani peoples in Central Asia, sent the Jews to the Ferghana Valley in the 1950s, put the Turkish Greeks in what previously had been east Azerbaijan, Turkish Armenians and Assyrians in Azerbaijan and the North Caucasus, Polish and Ukrainian peasants in the caucasus in central asia, Volga Germans to Central Asia, Balts to Central Asia, etc.


Turkey would probably be around ~80million people rather than ~180million.

Turkey's massive labor surplus and abundance of oil meant that it was very easy for western companies to outsource jobs there in the mid to late 20th century. Energy costs and labor were cheap. Turkey becoming Europe's factory was a big win for the country.

OOC: What I think Turkey's borders might be here. Mosul Vilayet, northeast Syria, and Dodecanese are Turkish.

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so as we all know the treaty of Moscow of 1925 between Turkey and the USSR led to both nations swapping people and minor land adjustment. The USSR got Armenians and other "Europeans" while Turkey got ethnic Turks and other Turkic peoples.

Agree only after the Soviets offered larger scale grain and food subsidies, Mustafa Kamal Ataturk had on many occasions stated his reason for accepting was to populate his nation with hands that could work the fields, factories and firearms and proclaimed it was his single greatest achievement along with leading his nation's independence.

Between 1925-1937, about half a million people went to the USSR and 12 million Turks were moved to Turkey. By the end of the population transfer and along with population growth Turkey had more than doubled in population from 15 million in 1925 to 40 in 1950.

So WI the swap never happened how would this have affected the USSR and Turkey and the World as a whole

Ooc: Who are the half a million people that went back..? Including the Greeks, which the Soviets do not want, there is no population combined to have swap 500k people. There were barely any Armenians.
 
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