DBWI: No Trump 2000

Donald Trump became our weirdest president in 2000. The Trump-Weicker campaign pulled an out of left field victory against President Gore* and Governor Jeb Bush*.

What if Trump hadn't run and won?




OOC:

*Gore becomes President after Clinton resigns during the impeachment fiasco
*Jeb wins in 1994 and is the brother who runs in 2000
 
No Universal Healthcare and probably weaker gun control legislation. 11/11 would still have happened so we would still go into Afghanistan, if a Hawk won we may have gone into Somalia or Iraq but I'm sceptical as it wastes too much political capital and people don't want another Vietnam. Also electoral reform wouldn't have been so successful and reform party might have faded away.
 
For one, our current three party system, with the Dems, GOP and Reform Party wouldn't exist, much less the Libertarians and Green Party jockeying to make it a four party system.
 
The most interesting effect would be the continuation of the Democratic/ Republican two party duopoly, even after the hit it took with Clinton's impeachment. I think this is a bigger effect than Gore being President for a full term right after the removal of Clinton, particularly as he got back into the White House later anyway.

Its generally agreed that the Reform Party has been a more constructive right wing alternative to the Democrats than the Republicans, though the GOP has been making something of a comeback lately. With all the information that came out during Clinton's second term, the view is that the Democratic-Republican duopoly was doomed, but remember the POD here would be that most of that stuff doesn't come out, maybe just the sex related issues that people pretty much knew about already. Then the third party system could have continued alot longer.
 

ASUKIRIK

Banned
Gore probably continues Clinton's policies.

Bush tanks the economy and starts a war like his assclown father.
uhm, aren't it's Donald Trump who end up sticking with the Clintons and basically continue their policies IRL?

While President Donald sit on the Oval Office and took reins on trade and general economic, it was his Presidential advisory team who worked the politics, especially FOREIGN politics, as well as legislation stuffs which President Donald only need to sign then formally.

Did the fact that Hillary Clinton is the Chief of Staff didn't rang you any bell? Or the fact that President Donald is practically consulting most of the non economic stuffs with Bill Clinton?


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Democrats dropped the Clintons like hot Potato and they end up regret their decision heavily, the only Impeached President isn't really that unpopular, and Donald basically run in place of his best friend Bill. Donald 2000 campaign is basically saying "I'll continue every Good Stuff that Clinton had!"

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and the fact that Hillary Clinton is now the head of Reform party...
 
uhm, aren't it's Donald Trump who end up sticking with the Clintons and basically continue their policies IRL?

While President Donald sit on the Oval Office and took reins on trade and general economic, it was his Presidential advisory team who worked the politics, especially FOREIGN politics, as well as legislation stuffs which President Donald only need to sign then formally.

Did the fact that Hillary Clinton is the Chief of Staff didn't rang you any bell? Or the fact that President Donald is practically consulting most of the non economic stuffs with Bill Clinton?


..

Democrats dropped the Clintons like hot Potato and they end up regret their decision heavily, the only Impeached President isn't really that unpopular, and Donald basically run in place of his best friend Bill. Donald 2000 campaign is basically saying "I'll continue every Good Stuff that Clinton had!"

...

and the fact that Hillary Clinton is now the head of Reform party...


Yeah the thing is Trump's 2000 success came from

(a) winning over the disenfranchised Clinton supporters who felt betrayed after Gore made the obnoxiously sanctimonious Joe Lieberman his veep following the Clinton resignation in a clear effort to distance himself from Bill
(b) dominating Jeb Bush and pointing out how retrograde his ticket was (seriously, who thought it was a good idea to make Jeb Bush - Dan Quayle 2000 a thing?)
(c) rallying up the Buchananite right with the Naderish left (Trump convincing Nader to drop out and back him was gold) through a mix of heavy progressive social policy and nativism on trade while also focusing on being "good for business". A lot of businesses that lost money on trade policy were pretty happy when the government picked up the tab on the cost of insuring their employees.

Trump was pretty smooth in co-opting Hillary Clinton as his first chief of staff after Rudy beat her in NY for Senate. Trump pulling her in after Rudy was cross nominated by the GOP and RP against her in that Senate race was a genius gambit. Having been Chief of Staff, UN Ambassador, New York Mayor, and head of the RfNC, I think things are looking good for her come 2020.


Plus, I think it's absolutely hilarious that we have Senator Bill Clinton (Rf-AR) as Deputy President Pro Tempore right now.
 

ASUKIRIK

Banned
Yeah the thing is Trump's 2000 success came from

(a) winning over the disenfranchised Clinton supporters who felt betrayed after Gore made the obnoxiously sanctimonious Joe Lieberman his veep following the Clinton resignation in a clear effort to distance himself from Bill
(b) dominating Jeb Bush and pointing out how retrograde his ticket was (seriously, who thought it was a good idea to make Jeb Bush - Dan Quayle 2000 a thing?)
(c) rallying up the Buchananite right with the Naderish left (Trump convincing Nader to drop out and back him was gold) through a mix of heavy progressive social policy and nativism on trade while also focusing on being "good for business". A lot of businesses that lost money on trade policy were pretty happy when the government picked up the tab on the cost of insuring their employees.

Trump was pretty smooth in co-opting Hillary Clinton as his first chief of staff after Rudy beat her in NY for Senate. Trump pulling her in after Rudy was cross nominated by the GOP and RP against her in that Senate race was a genius gambit. Having been Chief of Staff, UN Ambassador, New York Mayor, and head of the RfNC, I think things are looking good for her come 2020.


Plus, I think it's absolutely hilarious that we have Senator Bill Clinton (Rf-AR) as Deputy President Pro Tempore right now.
It remains to be seen if :
A) Trump is really the one who orchestrated the master plan to made Reform party a very formidable third party in USA. or...
B) Trump's thoughts are only the economics, the rest are works of Clintons behind the scene for both revenge and making their dynasty succeeded. Marriage between Eric Trump and Chelsea Clinton is of course the source of all this rumours, where Clintons basically using Trump financial backing and good names to entrench themselves into Reform Party of America.
 
No secession of Mindanao, R. Duterte seceded Mindanao due to the help of Trump during FPJ's presidency, after Erap's presidency.*

*Gloria Arroyo does not run as vice president
 
It remains to be seen if :
A) Trump is really the one who orchestrated the master plan to made Reform party a very formidable third party in USA. or...
B) Trump's thoughts are only the economics, the rest are works of Clintons behind the scene for both revenge and making their dynasty succeeded. Marriage between Eric Trump and Chelsea Clinton is of course the source of all this rumours, where Clintons basically using Trump financial backing and good names to entrench themselves into Reform Party of America.

Well Trump primarily just used the Reform Party as a means for his own aggrandizement I think. The bulk of party building was by others (Stone, Ventura, Penny, the Clintons, etc).

The thing with the Clintons is that in 2000 HRC *did* get the Democratic nomination in New York, albeit with considerable controversy and only with heavy activity by Rangel and company. They didn't really get drawn into the Reform movement until after their Democratic career was dead due to her defeat against Rudy (who, to be fair, was somehow nominated by the Reform, Republican, Liberal, and Conservative parties). Heck, Gore coming out against her and supporting Nita Lowey's Green-WFP candidacy in that race in order to cover his own rear end was a real nasty act. It was only after that election and the embarrassment that Gore inflicted that Trump brought the Clintons into his orbit (boy did Roger Stone make a good call there).



OOC: This is actually a very fun concept. I might flesh it out into a full TL down the line when I have the time and after I've finished my Gary Johnson Timeline.
 
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