DBWI:No Tehran US Embassy Massacre?

Before the Embassy Massacre the new Iranian government still had correct relations with the US, and the general population were only unhappy with the US policy of support for the Shaw. As they saw it, Cater & his staff were the problem, not the US. Sure the was heated rhetoric, but that was either from the Islamic fundamentalists, or pandering to them. The new government had a policy of appearing to appease the extremists, so they could deal with larger more immediate problems.

The attack on the embassy was a attempt by the Islamic extremists to force hostility between Iran & the US, and address a specific agenda of issues with the US. Returning the Shaw for a show trial was one, Reducing US/Western intrusion into Iran covered several other specifics.

That and 30,000 US military personnel still in the country.

...and the ongoing terrorism by the Revoluntionary Guards, Sons of the Phrophet, Islamic Caliph, or what ever the nome du juor is. This low under radar terroism war is actually fairly destructive to the Iranian economy, and social fabric. It also kills a dozen or so US soldiers each year & destroys several millions worth of vehicles and other equipment. A ongoing cost that has become melding into the operating overhead of the DoD.
 
I wish everyone would stop blaming the poor marine for firing. I, and many others, take the position he likely accelerated the mob rushing the embassy by a few minutes to few hours at most.

I suspect that if this had actually happened, and given that the Marine and all non-hostile witnesses were killed on the spot, the standard narrative in the West would be that he was attacked first. Presumably there would be news photographs of dead Iranians, but the attitude in the West would be that they were staged, and in any case they would be less famous than news photographs of dead Americans strung from lampposts etc.

Very occasionally there would be headlines in the newspapers, DID TEHRAN MARINES FIRE FIRST?, but the public would either refuse to believe it, or would dismiss it. Weirdo conspiracy people would argue that the Marine who fired the first shot had been specially picked by the CIA because he was suffering from a terminal illness, and had been told to engineer a crisis in exchange for $40m for his family. Or something.
 
Well I imagine if they had a few more hours the embassy would have successfully shredded and burned the classified documents that fell into the Islamic Republic’s hands. Were it not for the horror of the slaughter, the embarrassment and damage to US interests would have been even more significant. Unfortunately, virtually every CIA asset in the country was dead inside a week.
 
If there was no US Embassy massacre in Tehran, there would not be mass immigration of Iraqis to the US especially the Sunni communities in the exurbs of Detroit, the Assyrians in Hollywood, and Turkmens in New York (specifically eastern Queens). Maybe the Iranians would be the ones immigrating to this country.
 
If there was no US Embassy massacre in Tehran, there would not be mass immigration of Iraqis to the US especially the Sunni communities in the exurbs of Detroit, the Assyrians in Hollywood, and Turkmens in New York (specifically eastern Queens). Maybe the Iranians would be the ones immigrating to this country.
What happened in Iraq again? I seem to keep forgetting, but I know for sure it had something to do on Hussein's part.
 
Over 30 groups claimed credit for his death, theres a chance it was the kurds but with so many people claiming credit its hard to tell.
There's also blame cast at his cousin/brother in law.

Wasn't Mr. Al Tikriti killed in a helicopter crash, or was that his sons?
 
Gegeo and Al Douri have been blaming Adnan Khairallah for Saddam's death, and Khairallah for his part blames Huessein's son in laws.
 
Well I imagine if they had a few more hours the embassy would have successfully shredded and burned the classified documents that fell into the Islamic Republic’s hands. Were it not for the horror of the slaughter, the embarrassment and damage to US interests would have been even more significant. Unfortunately, virtually every CIA asset in the country was dead inside a week.
Chances are that most classified documents were accidentally set ablaze during the massacre, given that a lot of rooms had been reportedly set on fire to get people out. Given that officially the archives were where most of the civilian staff tried to hide in...

Over 30 groups claimed credit for his death, theres a chance it was the kurds but with so many people claiming credit its hard to tell.
The evidence found so far tells us that he was definitely captured Kurd militants, and that he died shot during a shootout. The Kurds say that the shootout happened in Arbil (which was basically an hotly contested area for all groups), that multiple groups were involved including a couple of Yazidi assassins, and that they had foregone the original plan of giving him a lethal injection and shot him right there once the truck he was in got wrecked.

As you can see, it was a chaotic situation. And, given that all we have left of him are photos of his dead naked body and, physically, only his head and hands, we may never know.
 
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