DBWI No Sino Soviet war

March 2nd 1969 a small group of chinese soilgers ambushed some soviet guards on Zhenbao Island, this action killed around 50 people and kicked off a conflict that lasted 20 years. Bombs, tanks, planes, poison gas, and around a hundred nuclear weapons used for 'tactical' purposes were all used. The conflict has been discribed as the Soviet Unions Vietnam and it ended with a exausted soviet union that had been bleed white, and a demolished china that had lost an estimated half of their population.

The two countries openly loath each other to this day.

But what would the world look like if the war hadn't happened would the soviet union still exist? Would China be a super power? Would things like the Rambo movies still happen? What would the world look like if the war had never happened?
 
For one, the world would be a far more prosperous place, a look at the Russian State and Mainland China under the post-unification reconstruction authority makes the reason why evident. The buffer states between the two nations (Ugyhristan, Mongolia and the Far Eastern Republic) would still be under their respective overlords as well.
 

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First, without Sino-Soviet war the pro-soviet movement in Vietnam is likely to capture the entire state. By the start of Sino-Soviet war, the US forces were already under hard pressure to leave, while Soviet had no such political difficulties.
The fall of Vietnam to Soviet forces may signal the start of the new expansion of the Soviet Union, may be dividing spheres of influence with the also growing Soviet China.

Overall, both China and Soviet Union would grow as superpowers, although may be not simultaneously. Rambo movies would still happen, but with different background - in Vietnam (or other small states) instead of China. Soviet Union long-term existence..well, problematic. We all know their economics and distribution system began to crumble just 3 years after the start of conflict, even though no major territorial or life loss has happened at that moment yet. Soviet Union was just too fragile, even without large scale war.

If the war would never happened, world political map would significantly change, but life of most people will be not altered much. Overall, will be slightly lower level of global political unification, may be UN will persist instead of being replaced by "Confederation of Earth" in 1989.
 
The Confederation was more of a response to attempts by major companies to tax dodge then an attempt at global political unification. For the most part it has all the same things the UN did, A security counsel, a way to talk to other countries and bring up grevances and aid. The only major departure was creating a way to keep companies from off shoring all their money to avoid paying their taxes, and adding india and Brazil to the perminant security council members.

Other then that its pretty much just like the UN that came before it.
 
Being from China, I'm obviously pro American in what people have dubbed the second cold war despite the existence of the confederation. I can't help but wonder perhaps the second cold war would have been between China and America (oh God no:() if the sino Soviet war hadn't happened.
 
Being from China, I'm obviously pro American in what people have dubbed the second cold war despite the existence of the confederation. I can't help but wonder perhaps the second cold war would have been between China and America (oh God no:() if the sino Soviet war hadn't happened.

I doubt it, other then brief bouts of paranoia that came during the 1800s, and the mess of the early Mao days American and Chinese relations have been pretty friendly. At worst I think we would end up being friendamies were we differ on some issues but actually going to war would be unthinkable.

That said some good news Bloody Boris the man behind that horrible incident in Shanghai has been caught outside Russia their trying him at the hague as we speak.
 
I doubt it, other then brief bouts of paranoia that came during the 1800s, and the mess of the early Mao days American and Chinese relations have been pretty friendly. At worst I think we would end up being friendamies were we differ on some issues but actually going to war would be unthinkable.

That said some good news Bloody Boris the man behind that horrible incident in Shanghai has been caught outside Russia their trying him at the hague as we speak.
Anti American dissent is really still there. Its just the Pudong attacks that has united Chinese society for once. There are the hard-line Nationalists, who resent the US for its attempted rapprochement with the communists in the late 60s, and there are those who resent the US backing of the (admittedly undemocratic) Chiang regime which has survived to this day. These factions are only kept at bay by the economic growth that has come after the "diplomatic reconquest" of the mainland under the reconstruction authority. Still, it's a relief that the person behind the pudong attacks was caught.
 
I don';t believe most of the world would be the same. A biggie is that if these two countries don't go to war, these countries with the most famous communist regimes, communist politics wouldn't have been discredited for so many - and that's a bit change, as communism was the go-to philosophy for dissidents and uprisings. Cuba kept a few going until Castro threw in the towel in 1972 and that's your lot.
 
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