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...and the K-Pop band BaBoom's latest song "Our Electrons Together" has just been exposed as a remake of "Let's Fulfill the Great General's Directions in Shellfish Farming!" from 1982...it's almost like the North won the war after all.
 
...and the K-Pop band BaBoom's latest song "Our Electrons Together" has just been exposed as a remake of "Let's Fulfill the Great General's Directions in Shellfish Farming!" from 1982...it's almost like the North won the war after all.

Or the song writers in south korea's K-pop industry are just as lazy as their american, russian, german, british, japanese, and australian counter parts.
 
What do people think about the supposed links between Moscow and the Nationalists in Korea? Russia has ever-increasing economic interests in the peninsula since the war (plus the use of a port) - if they were able to get a fully-allied government in Korea, it'd be quite a coup.

I'm sure Russia are trying to establish links but if they think they can control the Korean Ultra-Nationalists they are sorely mistaken. They essentially blame "Sino-Russian Marxism" for everything that was wrong with the DPRK, thus removing all blame from Koreans for what happened in the North, which is just a small part of their wider belief that everything wrong with Korea is due to non-Korean infulence.
 
I think the rumour gained traction when China declared its plans of "strategic rollback" for the massive investment plans in northern Korea in coordination with the ROK. Of course, China was struck quite hard with the recession and infrastructural construction was the least that was on its mind. But this "Moscowgate scandal" has made both China and the US anxious while cooling relations with Korea; so for the short term it did bring more investments. But we'll have to see what ramifications it'll bring up later.

True. China had a lot of their own fields to tend before they could follow up on their ambitious plans in Korea.

Here's hoping that any ramifications aren't too serious...

I'm sure Russia are trying to establish links but if they think they can control the Korean Ultra-Nationalists they are sorely mistaken. They essentially blame "Sino-Russian Marxism" for everything that was wrong with the DPRK, thus removing all blame from Koreans for what happened in the North, which is just a small part of their wider belief that everything wrong with Korea is due to non-Korean infulence.

Oh, I'd agree that they don't like foreigners of any kind, and you're right about blaming Marxism. OTOH, Russia doesn't provoke the same visceral hatred as, say, Japan or America (which is a tragedy - Americans fought and died to help liberate the North, but up there they still think of America as 'the enemy', albeit now because they 'corrupt' Korean culture ). So there is space for a relationship there, along the lines of 'the enemy of my enemy'.
 
Or the song writers in south korea's K-pop industry are just as lazy as their american, russian, german, british, japanese, and australian counter parts.

Maybe, if just one or two songs were exposed. But how do you explain the North Korean themed nightclubs in Seoul, the chic North Korean style restaurants, and the popularity of North Korean posters and statues? North Korean uniforms have also appeared in Seoul's boutiwues. It's like how Ostalgie took over Berlin in the 2000s.
 
Maybe, if just one or two songs were exposed. But how do you explain the North Korean themed nightclubs in Seoul, the chic North Korean style restaurants, and the popularity of North Korean posters and statues? It's like how Ostalgie took over Berlin in the 2000s.

For what I know they're much more in terms of satire and catharsis than anything. Note, for one, that many of the "carpets" in those Juche-themed flags are often North Korean flags that were previously used by the north; the restaurants, on the other hand, are much more visited by refugees than actual ROK citizens.
 
For what I know they're much more in terms of satire and catharsis than anything. Note, for one, that many of the "carpets" in those Juche-themed flags are often North Korean flags that were previously used by the north; the restaurants, on the other hand, are much more visited by refugees than actual ROK citizens.

I do think that Okryukwan's appeal isn't just satire or catharsis, though it's also not a sign for wanting ties to the North. They genuinely have good food, or so I hear. (The head chef got the James Beard Award for his recent book.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongnyugwan
 
Let us not forget the plight of the thousands of veterans and Korean civillians suffering from the condition known as Korean War Syndrome. Symptoms include intense fatigue, persistant headaches sterility and now some canecrsThis is believed to be caused by the expenditure of Depleted Uranium mmunition and chemicals used by th North Koreans.

The authorities deny the condition even exists and many veterans struggle to get any help at all. However, many of the symptoms are very like Gulf War Syndrome so there may very well be some connection.
 
America might have been in a better global position if the war hadn't happened. The financial crisis, Japan moving away and forming the nucleus of its own regional power bloc (still friendly to the US, but less influenced), Russia's growth in power, and now Iraq and Russia intervening in the conflict in Syria... OK, you can't blame Saddam, after those lunatics invaded Iraq it was inevitable that he'd try taking the fight to them, but it's looking increasingly like there'll be an Iraq-Syria axis with Russia as a patron figure. America's still the world superpower, but their influence has been slowly decreasing since the war in Korea.

On the other hand, that could mean that the Kims remained in power. And while the war was terrible and the aftermath uncertain, the people of North Korea are genuinely better off without those monsters there anymore.
 
America might have been in a better global position if the war hadn't happened. The financial crisis, Japan moving away and forming the nucleus of its own regional power bloc (still friendly to the US, but less influenced), Russia's growth in power, and now Iraq and Russia intervening in the conflict in Syria... OK, you can't blame Saddam, after those lunatics invaded Iraq it was inevitable that he'd try taking the fight to them, but it's looking increasingly like there'll be an Iraq-Syria axis with Russia as a patron figure. America's still the world superpower, but their influence has been slowly decreasing since the war in Korea.

On the other hand, that could mean that the Kims remained in power. And while the war was terrible and the aftermath uncertain, the people of North Korea are genuinely better off without those monsters there anymore.

Yeah, I still get mad whenever I hear people saying we should have left the South Koreans to their fate. I know Rusbear might kick me for this, but I legitimately think the Kims were worse than the Nazis. The destruction of abomination of Juche is worth pretty much anything.
 
Yeah, I still get mad whenever I hear people saying we should have left the South Koreans to their fate. I know Rusbear might kick me for this, but I legitimately think the Kims were worse than the Nazis. The destruction of abomination of Juche is worth pretty much anything.

The South Koreans would probably have won the war anyway without US forces to back them. It would have been a longer and bloodier struggle than the three months or so of conventional warfare it actually required/. The South would still have had to fight a ten year counter insurgency against the remnants of the Kim regieme, The ROK was simply far better trained and equipped than the NKPA. The K1 and K1A1 fr example were basicly copies of the US M1 and M1A1 MBT and simply outgunned the Norh;s T-55 and T62 (or Chinese/local copies) Despite th North's artillery advantage the RoK's advantage was very clear by the end of the first week or so. Only the surprise attack and chemical warfare allowed the NKPA to get into the suburbs of Souel and besiege Inchon for a couple of weeks. In the Chorwon Valley the NKPA was stppped dead by the end of the fisrt week. On the East Coast that ha[[end by the end of the third day.

At sea the North's surface fleet was gone by the end of Day two. Their submarine fleet was neutralized by the end of the second week.

In the air the Combined Forces had essentially efeated the North's arforce withiin three or four days. The real problem was the excellent air defence system. Unlike the 1991 Gulf War there had not been weeks of preparation for this par of the air war and Combinesd Forces aircraft losses were compartively heavy. Something like 25 aircfaft shot down by the North's air defences, mostly during the six week air campaign required to effectively neutralize the North's air defence system. The Combined Forces used the time to coduct a number of local ground operations and to build up US ground forces for Operaion Coronet as the final advance into North Korea was known.

Compared to Operation Desert Storm the Second Korean War's conventional phase was hard ffought right through the conflict. Unlike the Iraqis the North Koreans certainly did no fold and often used the terrain to good advantage. Arguably the Serbs learned a lot from the Second Korean War and put it to good use during the Kossovo War
 
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