DBWI: No Second American Civil War

As we all know, the Second American Civil War between 1934 to 1940 permanently divided the United States of America between the American Union (or the Montgomery Government) and the United States of America (or the Philadelphia Government) with the American Union being a Fascist Dictatorship and the United States of America being a left-leaning democracy with a strong communist party (which wins 10-15% of the vote) and a socialist party which occassionally wins presidential elections, but what if there was no Second American Civil War? What PODs might have prevented the Second Civil War? How would an America without the Second American Civil War develop? Would Nazi Germany have still become master of Europe with an America not divided by a civil war?
 
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Who knows, really? I'm just glad that Texas ended up staying with Philly, or I wouldn't be enjoying life in D/FW today. (I do feel bad for those poor folks in Arkansas and Northern Virginia, though; must be tough having to live near a potential frontline should a conflict ever break out-goodness knows about all the tactical nukes in old Va. and Davisland in particular. Not to mention Acadiana!)

OOC: Davisland is much of southern Arkansas minus Little Rock. And Acadiana includes New Orleans.
 
We might avoid one of the most brutal genocides in recent memory, the "Black Elimination " killed over 4 million people and forced what was left to flee the country. And what's worse is that the American Union is proud of it:mad:!
 
California and Hawaii would probably be part of the USA still rather then independent.

On which note, Pearl Harbour would probably still be an American naval base rather than leased by the Japanese and home to the Second Air Fleet.

Heck, Hawaii's got so many Japanese citizens and businesses it's effectively one of the Home Islands, for all it has its own government.
 
We might avoid one of the most brutal genocides in recent memory, the "Black Elimination " killed over 4 million people and forced what was left to flee the country. And what's worse is that the American Union is proud of it:mad:!
Well, that was nothing compared to Generalplan Ost, the Third Reich's extermination of the Poles, Balts, Belorussians, and Ukrainians, which led to 25-30 million deaths and the rest being either forcibly Germanized or fleeing to the USSR.

OOC: If you're wondering why Generalplan Ost didn't target the Russians, I envisioned TTL's Eastern Front ending in a peace of exhaustion along Brest-Litovsk-esque lines (border-wise).
 
Maybe the USA elects someone else President in 1932 instead of Alfalfa Bill Murray.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, perhaps? He seems to have some really good ideas on making America prosperous and keeping it united. He also seemed to have the broad support of the Democratic party. Who knows how that election would have played out if he hadn't been assassinated before the Democratic convention that year, causing the party to splinter on regional and ideological lines . . .
 
On the one hand, yes we probably would've avoided the "Black Elimination" and with the US not divided by a civil war, it probably would've aided the Allies in winning against Nazi Germany instead of doing nothing as the Nazis slowly steamrolled through Europe, leaving the UK and Greece as the only bastions of democracy in the continent. On the other hand however I imagine that the US might have remained a very stagnant, centrist nation by worldwide standards. As GJohn pointed out, FDR (nice initials BTW) could've saved the country with his socially democratic "new deal" policies but at the same time I highly doubt that the USA would've remained left-wing after his Presidency, the Southern Democrats and Republicans would've done much to prevent much social or economic progress respectively, nor do I believe that the Socialist and Communist ideologies would've been as dominant in US policies as they are today, mostly because it was the desperation of the Great Depression that pushed so many people to embrace those ideologies, without that desperation the populace probably would've settled for centrist neo-liberalism or conservatism rather that socialism.
 
I think - referring to my older post on Japan - that America and them would have had a showdown. Their actions in China would have made it inevitable. At the very least, the Americans would have supplied China.

Instead...well, Japan managed to batter China into sullen submission, and took Indochina, the Philippines and the Dutch East Indies in the confusion in Europe, then nabbed Northern Karafuto and the Maritime Province fighting the Soviets.

Funny. Japan and Britain kissed and made up in the 70s, with the Japanese ending trade with the Nazis, and since the fall of the Nazis in the 80s, the Japanese have remained a world power...but the things they did in China...
 
One of the key strengths of the Union gvernment was the way that they had already bloodied their forces (including the infamous shipping of the Alabama National Guard wholesale to the conflict) in the British and Spanish Civil Wars. While they were fortunately unable to defeat the Maxton and Durruti governments (although not for want of trying, it's taken generations to return many cities, particularly Birmingham, to even a shadow of their former glory), the skills they gained in the old world were put to deadly effect in the New, especially in comparison to the relativelly green forces of the Legitmate Government.
 

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Also, how much of a threat do you think is the American Union to the United States of America?
In the 1980s, there was a big threat of war, but now both sides, even the AU, prefer peace despite their extreme disagreements.

It's like how the Soviet supported People's Republic of China and Japanese supported "Sovereign Imperial State" of China are technically still at war with each other, but the last battle was in 1972.
 
Perhaps Hitler and the nazis are more successful and stay in power more than a few weeks before being outmaneuver by Von Pappen and become a bigger threat to the west and act as unifying force along with fascist Italy and Japan , nothing's like an enemy to fear to quell domestic issues
 
Also, how much of a threat do you think is the American Union to the United States of America?

Still quite a severe one, IMO. While they have lagged behind technically, especially since the most recent round of racial purges, they are still a nation largely under arms, and could do a hell of a lot of damage to the border regions before the Philadelphia government could beat them back. And that ignores their links with the various hardliners in the European fascist block, who would like nothing better than for a final conflagration to "finish the job".
 
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