OOC: Is there a map of this TL?
OOC: Here is a map of what I think this alt us would look like. I only labeled New states (ex: Guyana) and states with alternate borders (ex: Kalifornia) . For California, and Deseret I labeled some cities with names I think are fitting. (EX: Novokyiv is basically russian LA.) Remember, the POD is america wining 1812 so thats why it has Canada ;)
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OOC: Here is a map of what I think this alt us would look like. I only labeled New states (ex: Guyana) and states with alternate borders (ex: Kalifornia) . For California, and Deseret I labeled some cities with names I think are fitting. (EX: Novokyiv is basically russian LA.) Remember, the POD is america wining 1812 so thats why it has Canada ;)View attachment 409272
OOC: Nice. But if its not too much to ask, a russian map would be helpful.

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And the story might have ended well for Japan, going from condominium to Russian satellite (after the War) to independent wealthy country. But when it happened, colonization was nasty. There were famines, mass death, slavery in all but name, and Japan lost lost of its ancestral culture.
Agreed. I mean they now has the nickname of the most European Asians. Japan would be more "asian" if it industrialized by itself.
 
Agreed. I mean they now has the nickname of the most European Asians. Japan would be more "asian" if it industrialized by itself.
Yea. Japan is kinda like the South Africa of Asia in that their culture has been influenced a lot by the minority of Europeans who live there. Whites only make up about 5% but they have changed the history.

OOC: I can’t make a map for what I think Russia would look like based off everything mentioned so far because I don’t have time right now :confused:. Probably within a day or two.
 
Another thing about no Russian Kaliforniania is the US might try harder to push English in areas like Cuba, and Quebec. The vast majority of people in Kalifornia, Hawaii, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Alaska, Deseret, Panama, and Saint Lawrence know English, but without the US tolerating Russian being taught in Kalifornia this could mean a policy of English only schools. (Like how Russia did to places like Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltics through the 20th century)
 
While you have three "second" languages in the USA (Russian, Spanish, and French) some facility in English is needed for anyone who does anything outside of an insular community and anyone educated beyond the high school level is fluent in English no matter what their "home" language is. You do have trilingual areas - border areas around Kalifornia where "native" Spanish speakers and Russian speakers interact, so folks in those borderlands can get by in English and Russian or Spanish as well. Other "border" areas you see English and one of the "second" languages. In vast areas of the USA you'll only hear English and only in Kalifornia and Alaska will you see signs in both Latin and Cyrillic alphabets.

For "native" speakers of Russian/Spanish/French taking English in school as a requirement begins in middle school (6th grade) if not sooner if the primary school language is not English, and for English speakers likewise for at least one of the second languages - depending on where you are which one is the major offering, well away from "border" areas which is/are offered is variable. Of course other immigrant communities have their own language islands, but by second generation true fluency in those is much reduced. Most Americans can manage in at least one language other than English, educated ones fluent in at least two languages and can probably get by in one or two more depending upon where they live.

The development of cable TV with hundreds of channels has allowed for lots of content everywhere in the "second" languages as well as niche broadcasting in other languages. Still, a lot of the big ticket national broadcasting is only in English which has led to a spread of English language skills even in rural/isolated areas. Borrowing from other languages is much more extensive in "American English" than "British English" especially in slang which is almost incomprehensible from one to the other, and regional differences in the USA in terms of borrowing are noticeable depending on the "bordering" language. One special bit of slang from Kalifornia and Alaska is "mat", which to the dismay of parents is often the first (and sometimes only) bit of Russian many teens learn.
 
The USA wouldn't have tried that hard to expand elsewhere if Kalifornia hadn't been Russian.

For example, after the abolition of slavery, the USA wouldn't have used abolitionism as a pretext to invade Brazil, and conquer Bahia (to "free Negro slaves" from Brazilian oppression). In turn, if the USA hadn't done this, Bolivia and Argentina wouldn't have taken advantage of Brazilian weakness to invade the country and expand there.

And during the two world wars, Latin America might have been quieter, without Gran Colombia, Brazil and Chile siding against the USA, and Peru, Argentina and Bolivia siding with the USA.
 
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Well lincoln’s official justification was that those areas harbored too many confederates and needed to be tried for their acts of treason.

To be fair, Brazilians did welcome thousands of Confederaros, who fully supported slavery (and were used against slave rebellions by slave owners) in Brazil, while maintaining ties with the Ku Klux Klan. Of course, the failed assassination of Lincoln was used as a pretext.

It was the first, but not the last time the USA invaded another country using a terrorist attack as a pretext.
 
It was the first, but not the last time the USA invaded another country using a terrorist attack as a pretext.
*Cough* Got us into both world wars *cough* Excuse me. Well President Teddy Roosevelt (during his 4th term as a Bull Moose) got us into WW1 because of an attack, and FDR also got us into WW2 because of "a terrorist attack of total and great aggression the United States has ever seen"
 
And during the two world wars, Latin America might have been quieter, without Gran Colombia, Peru and Chile siding against the USA, and Peru, Argentina and Bolivia siding with the USA.
Without Colombia siding against the US that means no state of Panama :frown:. Maybe the Commune gets control of the Panama canal in this alt scenario.
 
While you have three "second" languages in the USA (Russian, Spanish, and French) some facility in English is needed for anyone who does anything outside of an insular community
Yea. Because of this we've had some presidents who are bilingual. Presidents like Ronald Reagan (knew russian) and Jeb Bush (knows spanish) learned their other languages becuse of their wifes, while Richard Nixon (learned russian in school) and Justin Trudue (learned french in school) grew up learninf the languages because of where they lived.
 
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