DBWI no Rhone/Rhine Silicon Valley

IOTL since the middle of the 20th century the Rhone Valley in France in Burgundy, Rhine in Germany and Switzerland have been the center of Technology, Computing and the formation of the internet it was said that Britain and its commonwealth of Nations and Europe remaining the military power in the world and its recovery in the end of the 19th century created this situation, could we have the Computers and the Internet developed in the US instead of France, Germany, UK and Switzerland.

We would have no Pomme company in Burgundy established by the Ukrainian Stefan Vozniak if that is the case.
 
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The fact that the Franco-German border regions have been so stable since the mid-19th century, and European unification such a successful product, is key.

Imagine if German unification, say, had been a process that France objected to—maybe there might even have been German claims on Alsace. Mind, I am not sure why the Bavarians would do that, and am not even sure why the French would not see an advantage in pushing Prussia and Austria back from their frontiers.
 
The fact that the Franco-German border regions have been so stable since the mid-19th century, and European unification such a successful product, is key.

Imagine if German unification, say, had been a process that France objected to—maybe there might even have been German claims on Alsace. Mind, I am not sure why the Bavarians would do that, and am not even sure why the French would not see an advantage in pushing Prussia and Austria back from their frontiers.

There was some discussion during the Congress of Vienna of giving Prussia a large consolidated chunk of Westphalia and the Rhineland, instead of giving them more of Pomeriania and Hanover in exchange for them letting go of the western statelets they lost to Napoleon. Prussia dominating the Rhine Valley could've caused a German unification with a heavier slant on Prussian supremacy and confrontation with the too-close-for-comfort French, and them being in place to snuff out the Westphalian Revolution probably causes Europe to be reactionary for longer.

The question you'd have to answer is why the US would put the kind of investment into new science that Euro-ARC (OTL note: European Advanced Research Commission) could muster. All of America's geopolitical needs are met, hegemon of the Americas and with plenty of markets for its produce and heavy industry. French people drive Carnegie autos, and Americans surf on Hugo-Pierre Computers (or should I say, "
ordinateurs" :rolleyes:). It's a fair enough swap.
 
The Franco-German alliance that formed following France's backing of Bavaria eventually resulted in the integrated western Europe that we see now. As the OP notes, western Europe in the mid-19th century had fallen behind the UK and was being surpassed by the US. The pragmatic alliance of the Second Empire with Bavaria in Germany, as with Piedmont in Italy, not only created the preconditions for their later growth as unified nation-states, it established traditions of cooperation that resulted first in the Eurppean Monetary Union then in the later-known efforts. That Italy and Germany had good incentives to remain allied with France against the autocratic east helped.

If there was, instead of a Franco-German alliance, Franco-German tensions or even Franco-German wars, well, there would just not have been the economies of scale that let western Europe catch up. Western Europe would have stayed fragmented, to say nothing of the risk of wars caused by further damage. The Rhône-Rhine would not be a thing
 
There was some discussion during the Congress of Vienna of giving Prussia a large consolidated chunk of Westphalia and the Rhineland, instead of giving them more of Pomeriania and Hanover in exchange for them letting go of the western statelets they lost to Napoleon. Prussia dominating the Rhine Valley could've caused a German unification with a heavier slant on Prussian supremacy and confrontation with the too-close-for-comfort French, and them being in place to snuff out the Westphalian Revolution probably causes Europe to be reactionary for longer.

A Germany that was basically a greater Prussia could easily come into conflict with France, especially before the Liberal Empire period.

The question you'd have to answer is why the US would put the kind of investment into new science that Euro-ARC (OTL note: European Advanced Research Commission) could muster. All of America's geopolitical needs are met, hegemon of the Americas and with plenty of markets for its produce and heavy industry. French people drive Carnegie autos, and Americans surf on Hugo-Pierre Computers (or should I say, "
ordinateurs" :rolleyes:). It's a fair enough swap.

The United States, in a TL where the UK remains much smaller than the eventual US and where western Europe is divided and poor, might still be interested in technological innovation. It might want to continue to build on its leadership, maybe.
 
The Franco-German alliance that formed following France's backing of Bavaria eventually resulted in the integrated western Europe that we see now. As the OP notes, western Europe in the mid-19th century had fallen behind the UK and was being surpassed by the US. The pragmatic alliance of the Second Empire with Bavaria in Germany, as with Piedmont in Italy, not only created the preconditions for their later growth as unified nation-states, it established traditions of cooperation that resulted first in the Eurppean Monetary Union then in the later-known efforts. That Italy and Germany had good incentives to remain allied with France against the autocratic east helped.

If there was, instead of a Franco-German alliance, Franco-German tensions or even Franco-German wars, well, there would just not have been the economies of scale that let western Europe catch up. Western Europe would have stayed fragmented, to say nothing of the risk of wars caused by further damage. The Rhône-Rhine would not be a thing
I wouldn't really call it just a pragmatic alliance. After all, the German Federal Empire was made up, at least before the Great War, mainly of states that had been Napoleonic allies in the Confederation of the Rhine; the French were natural allies against Prussian desires for domination.
 
I wouldn't really call it just a pragmatic alliance. After all, the German Federal Empire was made up, at least before the Great War, mainly of states that had been Napoleonic allies in the Confederation of the Rhine; the French were natural allies against Prussian desires for domination.

True enough. I was thinking more of the judgement that, even if France only got the Sarre territory and the rest of the Rhineland would forever be held by a Bavarian Germany, that pro-French Germany would be a much better neighbour for France than Prussia.
 
I think there would be no Rhone/Rhine Silicon valley if there was a destructive war in Europe in the 40s but this is doubtful without a late 1800s POD, causing the parents of people like Etienne Ballmer and Stefan Vozniak to leave Europe and Prevent Etienne Jandali's parents from even migrating to Switzerland, Europe and Qing Empire are partners in technology, Europe invents and it is the Qing that Manufactures.

Poland getting all of Upper Silesia including Zaolzie and Polish border cities in Lower Silesia from Germany and Bohemia along with population exchange which got Poland satisfied and no further wars after WWI.

In the United States we would have Hollywood and in the Japanese republic we have Anime/Manga and they are known for being Social Democrat countries, which contrasts to the heavily conservative Qing, Europe and Britain.

Tagalog republic(the northern 1/3 of the former Spanish East Indies) was known for its pogrom of its Spanish and Chinese population replaced by Africans and Japanese, a large percentage of its population already look black so the blacks got assimilated.
 
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