DBWI: no franco-american war over france

I was wondering, what would the world be like if Napoleon III had not declared war on the united states when they tried to force france out of mexico, france lost cause they thought we would fold easy so soon after the civil war. would the US have such a close realtionship with germany? would the US still gain control over Indochina?

EDIT:the title is suppose to read "DBWI no franco-american war over MEXICO"
 
I was wondering, what would the world be like if Napoleon III had not declared war on the united states when they tried to force france out of mexico, france lost cause they thought we would fold easy so soon after the civil war. would the US have such a close realtionship with germany? would the US still gain control over Indochina?

EDIT:the title is suppose to read "DBWI no franco-american war over MEXICO"

If France had not had such a wake-up call against USA, which caused it to see the true state of it's armies, it may not have modernised them. It may stop with the half-assed Niel Reform, instead of going for full bore modernisation and automatic weapons.

In that case, would France be able to trash Prussia and it's armies so thouroughly in the *'war of Bismarcks mistake', or would it end in a bloody stalemate? In the second case, France wouldn't have integrated the Rhine and Rhur areas which made it such an industrial powerhouse in the first half of the XXth century. Also such a bloody stalemate is likely to bring red revolution to France, so instead of a liberal empire, we'd likely see a Hungarian style red dictatorship.

Then, there's the question of Germany. If, instead of being limited to the North of the old HRE and Prussia, it would have included the Ruhr and Rhinelands, would Bavaria still be independent? and if not, who would stop the red tide at the gate of Vienna? Who would come to help the austrians attacked by the hungarian revolutionaries? Certainly not Germany, as the Junkers were only too happy to see their old rivals brought down.
 
prussia's miltary was in a pretty good shape at the start of the franco-prussian war which why it was a really bloody stalemate, for a while anyways. so prussia could have won, which would have thrown franch into chaos, again, and would mean that germany would not be a viturally puppet state to the US
 
Its a matter of irony that even though the France lost to the US and it went down the drain. A few decades later their back more powerful then ever.
 
Its a matter of irony that even though the France lost to the US and it went down the drain. A few decades later their back more powerful then ever.
yeah but france still lost, they made 4 major attempts at gaining control of mexico and they all failed on a epic scale
 
yeah but france still lost, they made 4 major attempts at gaining control of mexico and they all failed on a epic scale

On an Epic Comedy scale, for the last 3, you mean.

These 'Áventuriers' were thinking they could take over Mexico with next to no support ( and none of it official ). And at least Emperor Dupuis was certifiably barking mad, likely Connetable Grandeau also ( I mean, commanding the opposing armies to lay down their weapons because he was on a mission from God, come on...., ).
 
prussia's miltary was in a pretty good shape at the start of the franco-prussian war which why it was a really bloody stalemate, for a while anyways.

Well, it was a stalemate only until the french understood that their mitrailleuses were infantry weapons and not artillery ones and brought them forward to the front lines. After that, it became a bloody massacre whenever the prussian attacked. And lest not talk about that Glorious Uhlan Charge... along the bottem of a valley with ridges lined with massed Mitrailleuses and Lebels.


so prussia could have won, which would have thrown franch into chaos, again, and would mean that germany would not be a viturally puppet state to the US

Yes, and *Germany would be much bigger. Unlikely as it seems now, it could even have included the bavarian heartlands, old Turingen and the whole of Saxe. I know it seems impossible, given the huge cultural differences between Bavaria and Germany nowadays, but at the time, there was an opportunity, even if the bavarian kings were not likely to submitt peacefully to the prussian ones. Likely there would have been a war between the North and South of the German federation, if France had not been in position to guarenty Bavarian independence during its early years.
 
On an Epic Comedy scale, for the last 3, you mean.

These 'Áventuriers' were thinking they could take over Mexico with next to no support ( and none of it official ). And at least Emperor Dupuis was certifiably barking mad, likely Connetable Grandeau also ( I mean, commanding the opposing armies to lay down their weapons because he was on a mission from God, come on...., ).
I heard some where that the history channel show on the last french invasion of mexico is listed as a comedy by Tivo
 
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