Yeah, Europe is quite backwards about women's rights compared to the United States, the Republic of China, the British Commonwealth, the Republic of India, and the Empire of Japan, all of whom have strong women's rights compared to Europe.
DBWI: No Fascist France?
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The mexican quagmire didn't really help but it didnt stop it. What stopped it was president Euguen Debbs, whose socialist policies were very popular after the 1900 London Stock Crash, wasnt sending americans over unless we were attacked first.
Incidentally, Debbs proving a socialist could win under the democratic system ended the amercian red scare until Rosa. And because of what nation she led, most called it the black scare here.
The quagmire was us trying to get the Mexican empire (who had industrialized heavily after we won the Mexican-American war for the south west states) to stop attacking Columbia, but if we'd found out that they did it with the promise of "if america interferes, we will welcome you to the entene," before we'd gotten Mexico to back down, who knows.
True, but America and mexico pulled out of their depressions, which lasted from 3-5 years, well before France and Germany, who didn't reach their economic levels from BEFORE WW1, until 1929 and 32, respectively
for example, feminist theorist Monique Wittig lived in Keijo since 1952.
And the Japanese Empire and its fellow members of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (like the Republic of China, the Federation of Indonesia, the Empire of Vietnam, and the Kingdom of Thailand with India and Malaysia being both Commonwealth and GEACPS members while the Philippines is both US-aligned AND a GEACPS member) along with the Commonwealth Powers (Britain and friends) and the United States of America (along with their buddies in the Americas) having far more dynamic economies than the European powers in the "Silent War" between liberalism and reactionarism, something which could be attributed to their strong women's rights laws.
well.. they are exception as India's woman's rights record is backwards as europe. suttee, anyone?
Fair enough, though the Turkish Republic's strong women's rights record has been quite interesting IMHO, owing to its proximity to Europe and its Islamic religion.
OOC: IOTL, Turkish women could vote a decade before French women could vote IOTL.
well India is a very populous nation with 1.2 billion population. it would be hard to enforce anything there.
Well, I'd say that the other half is that the Russian bloc are all very strong monarchies (Prussia excepted) with advisory assemblies eg the Zemstvas. It's not like women could influence much even if they could vote, so there's less demand for it.
Dolan
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But don't forget that before and during Lady of Blood's Communist Reign, Germany is DE FACTO leader in women's and sexual minorities' rights. Yeah, now it is a source of endless scorn from today's heavily (Re)Christianized Europe who compared the German Socialist Republic with Sodom and Commoragh, but back on their days, same sex marriages, sex change operations, and polyamory was pretty much flaunted openly on the street, but also along with bloody persecution against Christians, Jews, and Muslims in favor of enforcing State Atheism.
It was very obvious that Europe's, and especially German Successor States' hyper-religious ultraconservative attitude right now is the backlash of Rosa's "Great Leap Forward".
Even then it's dying down among younger generations, though they are still strong supporters of the monarchy
The problem is that Russia, who is able to keep pace with the other powers, built that up by taking from Poland, Czechia, Austria, and everyone east of them, and are only now starting to invest in their colo... i mean puppe... alies. I meant allies.
OOC:
Why does everyone assume Germany to be a Republic here? Didn't the Nazis control it? I can see the butterfly resulting from the of the coup being that Ernst Rohm with the SA causes a civil war in Germany. The German monarchists and conservatives likely rally around the Hohenzollerns against Rohm who put the Socialist in National Socialist. Germany is torn apart in a Civil War and Fascist France invades.
Honestly the best pod for a Fascist France was if it lost WWI to the Kaiserreich. This would increase the resentment and anger towards Germany and create a greater desire for French Revanchism.
Why does everyone assume Germany to be a Republic here? Didn't the Nazis control it? I can see the butterfly resulting from the of the coup being that Ernst Rohm with the SA causes a civil war in Germany. The German monarchists and conservatives likely rally around the Hohenzollerns against Rohm who put the Socialist in National Socialist. Germany is torn apart in a Civil War and Fascist France invades.
Honestly the best pod for a Fascist France was if it lost WWI to the Kaiserreich. This would increase the resentment and anger towards Germany and create a greater desire for French Revanchism.
Ooc: honestly with no american intervention, while an entente victory is possible, could decimate everyone enough for something like this thread.
Why would the European Economic Community want a reunited Germany when half of them are already learning German as a second language anyways?! If anything these days a united Germany would be far better served under Bavarian leadership than Berliners, especially after that lunatic veteran Rohm tried to make his play for control in Saxony and the uber-wacko Heydrich ran the GSR into the ground.
Don't forget how "Dark Enlightenment"/NRx ideas are very popular amongst Europe's elites and amongst much of the popular as well.
Even among feminist circles there. I was suprised that NRx feminism was a thing.
Dolan
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Basically they wanted to return to their idealized version of "Early Christianity" where Man and Woman are equal in front of God's Eyes, and trying to argue through Biblical passages considering their audiences. Devotion to Mary Mother of Jesus is very popular through Catholic Feminists these days.
They still condemned Lady of Blood's Communist Reign, but argued that return to proper Biblical Values is the key instead of current systematic oppression of women.
And the other half of Europe is largely run by authoritarian fascist dictatorships, meaning any elections there are shams anyways.
Even in japan its influence can be felt. Nippon Kyosanto, a left-wing party is rather socially conservative, albeit being far-left when it comes to economy.
BigBlueBox
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I think you are overestimating how much women are really oppressed. Sure, they can’t be in the legislature, run for mayor, join the military, or become a doctor or lawyer, but those jobs are naturally more suited for men. This is a position that the Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anglican Churches have all affirmed, and probably would have done so without Rosa. Women can still vote if they want in most of Europe, they just need to take their husband’s advice on who to vote for, or their father or eldest brother if unmarried.
The real lesson Europe learned from Rosa was not to to trust Jews. That’s why Russia established the Second Pale of Settlement in Siberia, France enacted the Madagascar Plan, and Britain revoked the Balfour Declaration and partitioned Palestine between the Dominion of Jerusalem, Hashemite Kingdom of Syria, and Egypt.