DBWI:No dictatorship in the United States in the 1960s ?

As we all know,American Dictatorship led by General Curtis LeMay began in 1963,shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy,and then Lyndon Johnson was also murdered(Conspiracy theories say that a secret service agent killed him)although the official version say that Communists killed Johnson,which led the military to give the Coup and stay in power until 1990 ( year in which the dictatorship ended ).But What If the military had not seized power after the death of Kennedy ?,And if Johnson had survived ?Will the US would still make Hits State and install dictatorships in South America ?,Did the Cold War would be so tense with the United States not being a Dictator ?,Who were the US Presidents after 1963 to continue Democracy ?,What would change in US history without the years of dictatorship ?.
 
I don't think the dictatorship can really be prevented with a 1963 PoD, though it might be delayed or shortened. Really, as soon as MacArthur was elected President over a decade earlier, following his conduct in the Korean War, the precedent for military insubordination being rewarded with political power was already there.

OOC: I don't think your scenario is plausible with a 1963 PoD, so I added one of my ideas.
 
Well, the USSR probably wouldn't still exist, let alone be the sole remaining superpower on the planet. Because let's be honest, the dictatorship was what inspired West Germany, Britain and most of European NATO to give the US the middle finger and kiss and make up with the Soviets. Which then led to the Sov economic reforms, and the Union's rebranding into the Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics. And, ultimately, into their forming the Eurasian Economic Community with Western Europe.

Which would probably mean a Europe without the awesome fusion of free enterprise and welfare state that we've ended up getting now. We'd either have old-style Soviet awfulness, like before the reforms, laissez-faire capitalism, or searing nuclear apocalypse.
 
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the economy would be much better, Le May was an idiot when it came to economics and the country still has not recovered from his policies.
 
The United States might still exist as a cohesive state, rather than a collection of democratic, but unstable nations, who constantly attack each other.
 
People tend to forget that Johnson was a bit of a loose cannon in his own right. As an earlier poster pointed out "nuclear apocalypse" isn't exactly off the table for a guy who felt he needed to live up to his hero by winning a big war.

Prevent the Kennedy assassination, maybe things stay stable enough to calm down and return to normalcy without the military fucking things up every now and then. But Just keep LBJ alive and its just not enough.
 
The United States might still exist as a cohesive state, rather than a collection of democratic, but unstable nations, who constantly attack each other.

We have a federal structor so I see why you would think that but were still one nation, and the attacks mainly came from Texas where all of the previous regiemes hardliners decided to make their last stand.
 
The United States might still exist as a cohesive state, rather than a collection of democratic, but unstable nations, who constantly attack each other.
Oh come on now -- the Texan Republic sends a few troops one time to keep California from oppressing Mormon Secessionists, and all of a sudden we're "constantly attacking each other"? Frankly, I'm getting tired of the Eastern Socialist Media smearing our peacekeeping efforts and national character :mad:

OOC EDIT: Shit, ninja'do by West. Well, maybe this will still work...
 
Well, the USSR probably wouldn't still exist, let alone be the sole remaining superpower on the planet. Because let's be honest, the dictatorship was what inspired West Germany, Britain and most of European NATO to give the US the middle finger and kiss and make up with the Soviets. Which then led to the Sov economic reforms, and the Union's rebranding into the Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics. And, ultimately, into their forming the Eurasian Economic Community with Western Europe.

Which would probably mean a Europe without the awesome fusion of free enterprise and welfare state that we've ended up getting now. We'd either have old-style Soviet awfulness, like before the reforms, laissez-faire capitalism, or searing nuclear apocalypse.

The USSR is no superpower and is a joke. The Ukraine and Caucasus are rising up, it's economy is falling apart, Europe more or less run things in the EEC, not Moscow and the real Superpower of the world is China, not Russia.
 
The USSR is no superpower and is a joke. The Ukraine and Caucasus are rising up, it's economy is falling apart, Europe more or less run things in the EEC, not Moscow and the real Superpower of the world is China, not Russia.

But seeing as Berlin is trying to pull the Europeans together, as a unified bloc, the EEC is pretty powerful in its own right
 
Oh come on now -- the Texan Republic sends a few troops one time to keep California from oppressing Mormon Secessionists, and all of a sudden we're "constantly attacking each other"? Frankly, I'm getting tired of the Eastern Socialist Media smearing our peacekeeping efforts and national character :mad:

OOC EDIT: Shit, ninja'do by West. Well, maybe this will still work...

OCC it still works if your one of the hard liners being talked about OCC


Ugh here comes one of the loyalists now, look you lost deal with it and those mormon secceionist were put down with help from the Utah national guard, and I would like to remind people that the sessonists do not represent most of the mormon comunity and have been lambasted by salt lake city numerous times.
 
The USSR is no superpower and is a joke. The Ukraine and Caucasus are rising up, it's economy is falling apart, Europe more or less run things in the EEC, not Moscow and the real Superpower of the world is China, not Russia.

'Rising up'? A few small protests is 'rising up'?

And I'd thoroughly dispute its 'economy falling apart'. It's slowed down a bit, sure, but then everywhere has these days, and it's recovering fairly quickly. And Moscow's still the dominant military and space power on Earth.

You're definitely right about China rapidly becoming the new economic power, but they've a long way to go before they could 'replace' the USSR.

Latin America would look quite different, I imagine. The US dictatorship propped up so many vile regimes down there, that now most of Latin America loathes the US with a passion. And the 'Economic Community of the Americas' is looking more and more like a military alliance these days. Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Venezuela all suffered back then, and now they're clubbing together...
 
'Rising up'? A few small protests is 'rising up'?

And I'd thoroughly dispute its 'economy falling apart'. It's slowed down a bit, sure, but then everywhere has these days, and it's recovering fairly quickly. And Moscow's still the dominant military and space power on Earth.

You're definitely right about China rapidly becoming the new economic power, but they've a long way to go before they could 'replace' the USSR.

Latin America would look quite different, I imagine. The US dictatorship propped up so many vile regimes down there, that now most of Latin America loathes the US with a passion. And the 'Economic Community of the Americas' is looking more and more like a military alliance these days. Argentina, Chile, Colombia and Venezuela all suffered back then, and now they're clubbing together...

Maybe only in the Caucasus, but in Ukraine, the rebellion is so bad the UN has labelled it a humanitarian disaster waiting to happen. I mean, Germany has threatened to launch an intervention within the next few months.
 
Maybe only in the Caucasus, but in Ukraine, the rebellion is so bad the UN has labelled it a humanitarian disaster waiting to happen. I mean, Germany has threatened to launch an intervention within the next few months.

Yeah, OK, the Ukraine is a mess. Though Eastern Ukraine is still pro-Soviet. Well, pro-Russia, but that basically is pro-Soviet. Hardly surprising, the East's been getting the lion's share of economic benefits since the Soviet economy became 'state capitalist'. But the fighting in Western Ukraine has been horrible. I doubt it'll last much longer, though. Poorly-equipped rebels vs the Red Army can only end one way. I mean, these are the people who pacified Afghanistan back in the 80s.*

West Germany's intentions were good, but their talk about sending peacekeepers was...a bad idea. It gave East Germany's hawks the opportunity to scream how they were right and that the West was the revanchist warmonger they'd always claimed, and now most of the EEC is scrambling to disavow what the Bundesrepublik said because they don't want to damage their trade relations with Moscow. And I doubt West Germany will be getting much oil or natural gas this winter...

*OOC: With the whole America dictatorship death throes thing and Western Europe making up with the Soviets, no-one supplied the mujahideen with weapons. So Afghanistan got put down and is still Soviet-aligned, albeit periodically restive. Though women's rights are infinitely better.
 
Yeah, OK, the Ukraine is a mess. Though Eastern Ukraine is still pro-Soviet. Well, pro-Russia, but that basically is pro-Soviet. Hardly surprising, the East's been getting the lion's share of economic benefits since the Soviet economy became 'state capitalist'. But the fighting in Western Ukraine has been horrible. I doubt it'll last much longer, though. Poorly-equipped rebels vs the Red Army can only end one way. I mean, these are the people who pacified Afghanistan back in the 80s.*

West Germany's intentions were good, but their talk about sending peacekeepers was...a bad idea. It gave East Germany's hawks the opportunity to scream how they were right and that the West was the revanchist warmonger they'd always claimed, and now most of the EEC is scrambling to disavow what the Bundesrepublik said because they don't want to damage their trade relations with Moscow. And I doubt West Germany will be getting much oil or natural gas this winter...

Poorly-equipped? Have you seen the news? The Red Army hate fighting in the Ukraine. The Rebles are getting guns and suppies from China and India, and Russis can't do a thing unless they what to start a war.

You do know East Germany is more or less run by West Germany and the EEC. And if that happens, they turn to India and China, it's East Germany who is going to be yell at for getting the EEC to turn to the Chinese-India Alliance, and the Arab nations, who hate the Russia, and Iran.
 
Poorly-equipped? Have you seen the news? The Red Army hate fighting in the Ukraine. The Rebles are getting guns and suppies from China and India, and Russis can't do a thing unless they what to start a war.

You do know East Germany is more or less run by West Germany and the EEC. And if that happens, they turn to India and China, it's East Germany who is going to be yell at for getting the EEC to turn to the Chinese-India Alliance, and the Arab nations, who hate the Russia, and Iran.

??? East Germany's Warsaw Pact - they take their marching orders from Moscow first and foremost, not The Hague or Bonn. And like I said, most of the EEC backs the Soviets.

Most neutral analysts agree that the rebels are going to have to surrender in three months unless something unexpected happens.OK, Yank neo-cons claim the Union's on its last legs or something, but that's so far from being the truth it's not funny.
 
I sometimes wonder if a Kennedy govt would have got so deeply involved in SEAsia. Even with the the drawdown of troops in the area since the Treaty of Helsinki there are still over a million US servicemen fighting various insurgencies. Its also possible Hanoi and Vientiane would still be cities rather than radioactive piles of rubble.
 
Iran might not have had the Tehran incident but we all know how that went down :(
the single biggest nuclear incident in human history, if america was about in 1999 that might not have happened
 
??? East Germany's Warsaw Pact - they take their marching orders from Moscow first and foremost, not The Hague or Bonn. And like I said, most of the EEC backs the Soviets.

Not for the last 20 years, oh sure they like to show they 'fraternal gratitude' to Moscow and they adherence to marx and co, but everybody knows that are european money that keep things afloat, hell East Germany is basically a whole owned subsidiary of Bonn. And honestly call most of the EEC, the remnants of the old communist parties and the usual fringe is a little strech.
Sure the European Community try to not get involved and hope for a pacific resolution due to the economic ties with Russia and because nobody is stupid enough to being involved in that mess...but backs Moscow in this conflict? Not a change in hell

Most neutral analysts agree that the rebels are going to have to surrender in three months unless something unexpected happens.OK, Yank neo-cons claim the Union's on its last legs or something, but that's so far from being the truth it's not funny.

It's almost a year, that this 'neutral' analyst keep saying that all this mess will last three months.
 
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