DBWI: No 4th Indo-Pakistani War

Was the war really inevitable?


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Say that the border guard shootout in '83 doesn't escalate into a full-blown war and cooler heads prevailed. What would the subcontinent be like today if the worst of the Indo-Pakistani wars was averted? Would India and Pakistan eventually get along? Was the war inevitable so as long as Gandhi and/or Zia-ul-Haq were in power? And how would the absence of a bloody 2 year long conflict in South Asia affect the Cold War?
 
Well by 1983 India was a rapidly growing, would be great power. In contrast, Pakistan's economy had stagnated for 2 decades and most of its people were subsistence farmers, making them desperate for a war to reverse their fortunes. 1979 to 1983 were the worst years for Indian democracy, Indira Gandhi had ruled for 8 years in "Emergency" because of "Partisans" (Partisans who were less in number than the North Carolinian secessionist movement, that is absolutely zero). This war in turn resulted in a bloodbath for the fanatical Pakistanis, 4 Pakistanis dead for every Indian soldier. The Indians gained 4 Puppet states and a Neutralized Pakistan, of course they lost 620,000 people and Indira Gandhi was imprisoned of in the popular revolution during the war, ultimately the army was tired of Gandhi's incompetence and allowed her to be imprisoned. Next, the army swiftly took over Pakistan's major cities. All this means that the war would have been inevitable.
 
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OOC: You have basically described the opposite of what the case was in 1983. The Pakistani economy had grown every year since the 1950s, India was suffering from the anemic "Hindu rate of growth" imposed by the "Licence Raj" and was a decade away from growing.
 
OOC: You have basically described the opposite of what the case was in 1983. The Pakistani economy had grown every year since the 1950s, India was suffering from the anemic "Hindu rate of growth" imposed by the "Licence Raj" and was a decade away from growing.
OOC: Yeah, I know. It would be fun to have a reverse with a socialist pakistan and capitalist india.
 
Indira Gandhi was imprisoned of in the popular revolution during the war, ultimately the army was tired of Gandhi's incompetence and allowed her to be imprisoned.

Well to be fair, she did threaten to retaliate against any foreign intervention in the war. Or as she put it: "India will not fear those who seek to violate our national sovereignity. We Indians fear no one, and our words are backed with nuclear weapons!"

(God I hate that phrase, mostly thanks to Civ. Mahatma. Yeah I get it, it was said by someone named Gandhi. Very funny :idontcare:)
 
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Well to be fair, she did threaten to retaliate against any foreign intervention in the war. Or as she put it: "India will not fear those who seek to violate our national sovereignity. We Indians fear no one, and our words are backed with nuclear weapons!"

(God I hate that phrase, mostly thanks to Civ. Mahatma. Yeah I get it, it was said by someone named Gandhi. Very funny :idontcare:)
x'D
 
And how would the absence of a bloody 2 year long conflict in South Asia affect the Cold War?

Well, even the war aside - we can debate whether the USSR would've gone to bat over Pakistan* - you don't get the massive Pakistani diaspora. That caused chaos in the UK, the US, Soviet Union, all over where they went with culture shocks, integration issues, and rise of racist bastards (and a bunch of nasty race riots with Indian communities). Without key nations in a state domestically, the Cold War wouldn't have dragged on for as long. (I doubt Thatcher would have won in 1987 without the truly foul "Paki Party" bile against Labour)

* going w/ Sriyam's "socialist pakistan and capitalist india" here, same with Pakistanis being taken in by their 'comrades'
 
you don't get the massive Pakistani diaspora. That caused chaos in the UK, the US, Soviet Union, all over where they went with culture shocks, integration issues, and rise of racist bastards (and a bunch of nasty race riots with Indian communities). Without key nations in a state domestically, the Cold War wouldn't have dragged on for as long. (I doubt Thatcher would have won in 1987 without the truly foul "Paki Party" bile against Labour)

Not a Brit here. Was anti-pakistani sentiment really that high?
 
Obnoxiously omnipresent - Stealing Our Jobs, Raping Our Women - until the early 90s. Even cost Labour in 1992 as well. (Hell, by '97 the party had lost so often that if they hadn't had Clare Short, they'd never have been back)
 
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