DBWI Napoleone didn't created the Italian empire?


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Of the many characters that rose from the aftermath of the french revolution, no one is as enigmatic and such a military genius as the italian Alexander, Napoleone Buonaparti that funded the italian empire, I mean, he first couped the genovese government and then defeated the austrians and the southern italians with french help, just to leave the french sphere of influence and create his own dynasty, his victories (especially at Padua where he defeated a four times larger austrian army, crushing the austrian italian front) remains legendary until today

So I was wondering, what could have happened if the Italian empire wasn't formed? Napoleone is a case fo a character that was in the right time and changed everything, like Julius Caesar in Rome; what could be the repercussions of no Napoleone? And how much time would it take to IItaly to unify?
 

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Well, without Napoleone forming the Italian Empire and usurping the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian Habsburgs would continue to dominate Germany, the Balkans, and Italy. The Buonaparti dynasty managed to "recreate" the Roman Empire to some extent, but it came at the expense of the existing Habsburg realm which was at that time considered "Roman".

Instead of the word "Roman" being used to designate the inhabitants of the vast country that now dominates the Mediterranean once again, and speaks Italian; rather, the word "Roman" would be used to describe Catholic Germans, and it would be a rallying cry against the Ottomans, rather unlike the Italian-Ottoman alliance that was seen from 1805-1899.
 
What the heck? Is the OP supposed to be in character or something? If this is supposed to be what someone in a TL said that makes sense, otherwise it's mostly gibberish of events that didn't happen
 

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What the heck? Is the OP supposed to be in character or something? If this is supposed to be what someone in a TL said that makes sense, otherwise it's mostly gibberish of events that didn't happen
DBWI is a "Double Blind What If": in these threads, you speak from the perspective of an alternate timeline, to give a humorous or interesting perspective on what happened in real life.
 

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Well if you butterfly away the French Revolution you'd certainly avoid it. However, you'd likely never see a fully united Italy.

However, the Northern states might unite. I just can't see the North and South uniting without Napoleone.
 
Well if you butterfly away the French Revolution you'd certainly avoid it. However, you'd likely never see a fully united Italy.

However, the Northern states might unite. I just can't see the North and South uniting without Napoleone.

I'm not so sure of that. Nationalism likely would have meant there would be a call for a unitd Italy, though whether the Great Powers of the time would allow it to happen up to debate.
 
I'm not so sure of that. Nationalism likely would have meant there would be a call for a unitd Italy, though whether the Great Powers of the time would allow it to happen up to debate.
I'm not so sure.
Before Napoleone there was a Northern nationalism and a Southern one. It took a Corsican named after Naples to create a single pan-Roman nationalism.
 
I'm not so sure.
Before Napoleone there was a Northern nationalism and a Southern one. It took a Corsican named after Naples to create a single pan-Roman nationalism.

There is also the fact that it is basically ASB to think that italy would be as strong as is today without him, even if it did unified without him, Italy still would be under the influence of France and Austria, Napoleone got the exact moment of time that France was weak and would give him enought freedom to fight the habsburgs, and when both fell he remained standing amoung the ruins
 
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