DBWI:Napoleon Is Defeated

What if Napoleon was defeated by the Coalitions?It is plausible, considering that almost every country in Europe was opposed to him. I read a good TL by Zach about precisely the subject;) what if?
 
Oh it's plausible alright -- there are countless PoDs that could bring Napoleon down. For example, the Haitian Revolution could have brought somebody more anti-French than [Toussaint] Louverture to power, potentially crippling the French Empire's presence in the New World.
 

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The most famous TL for this is affectionally called "Russia doesn't go full retard". The fact NAP could occupy and mantain control over such terrory stranis belief by itself, he could never have had if the kulaki and the low to medium russian aristocracy didn't decide the Zar was a suicidal Moron for stubbonly trying to defeat the grand armee face to face instead of... Any other strategy really.
Apparently the fact him and George III and IV suffered of Porfirya helped napoleon more than a little
 
The coalition were more interested in fighting each other then unite against the great Napoleon. In fact Austria with it's marriage to France had more to win in a french victory then in a french defeat, afterall the prince imperial was half Habsburg.
 
Perhaps if Prussia wasn't permanently dismembered, but as is, you had Britain and Russia against a French dominated Europe.

Perhaps if Austria decided, for some reason, to put aside their own interests and refuse Silesia? We'd have to butterfly Metternich away for that to happen though.
 
What a ridiculous scenario! I mean, to even begin to conceive of it, you would have to assume that the Emperor's military genius became clouded by arrogance, laziness, and some loss of energy in middle age... and we know those things could never happen! :p

But assuming he was beaten in 1814 or 1815, then the Napoleonic Union would never have come into being. Britain would have gone on to become the world's great industrial and trading power, perhaps for decades, instead of sinking into second rate status. Europe, with its single currency, closed markets, and uncompetitive industries, wouldn't have stagnated into an economic backwater either. :rolleyes:

The United States might have had to wait until sometime in the 20th Century to become the world's leading economic power, instead of achieving this position after the Civil War, as it actually did.

What if Napoleon was defeated by the Coalitions?It is plausible, considering that almost every country in Europe was opposed to him. I read a good TL by Zach about precisely the subject;) what if?
 
Originally poste by John Walton
The United States might have had to wait until sometime in the 20th Century to become the world's leading economic power, instead of achieving this position after the Civil War, as it actually did.

Which Civil War? There were 3 of them (all right, the third one was actually more like a putsch attempt, but still).

But assuming he was beaten in 1814 or 1815, then the Napoleonic Union would never have come into being. Britain would have gone on to become the world's great industrial and trading power, perhaps for decades, instead of sinking into second rate status. Europe, with its single currency, closed markets, and uncompetitive industries, wouldn't have stagnated into an economic backwater either.

It stagnated only ca 50 years after Napoleon I (and now, under empress Josephine II and duke Poniatowski, it is quickly catching up with the US and China). A lot could have happened in that time to change it. E.g. Napoleon III could have died before launching his ridiculous and extremely expensive attempt to conquer China (for which China should be actually grateful) which almost ruined France and consequently the rest of the NU. Or perhaps empress-regent Marie-Claire could have had a brainwave to fire that moron Cavioli, before he launched his idiotic policy of Just Competition.

Originally posted by Inquisitor Tolkien
Perhaps if Austria decided, for some reason, to put aside their own interests and refuse Silesia? We'd have to butterfly Metternich away for that to happen though.

Silesia was a kind of compensation for Austria for returning Galicia to restored Poland. They had a choice - take it or give up Galicia for free. They decided to at least gain something from the deal. Why shouldn't they? Prussia was finished anyway, with Poles and Saxons pressing for some reward for their loyalty to the Emperor.
 
Silesia was more than 200 years Austrian before the Prussian Warmonger Friedrich stole it. The Silesians were more than happy to go back to the Habsburgs. The Paix Francaise secured a century of peace to Europe an without the emigrees bringing european culture to Africa and Asia - what would the world look like? So we have the Union Africaine stretching from the Cape Oranje to Algiers. A continent speaking French and having French culture as an uniting factor while keeping tribal heritage to identify yourself.

Too bad the Indian mutiny of 1870/71 suceeded and the Asian continent fell into an everlasting war7civil war - even today there are more weeks fighting than weeks of peace. ANd The Chinoise expedition was a big mistake - it weakened China, so the Japanese agressors could take down China in the three wars (1895, 1914-1916, 1937-1941) Japan now rules from the island of New Zealand to the Kurieles and from the Hindukush to teh Sandwich islands.

Nah - the US the leading industrial power - only because they use slave labor until this day - And the French decided that a federation of independent states is better than a monolithic bloc - We Eurepeens don't face revolutions like the other nations as we act as equals - even the Rusans had learned this lessons after the Grande Armee had saved their country after the Japonaise invasion of 1941.. Fortunately Napoleon decided to help the spanish to maintain their Empire in South America. I am plaling If I think that was the US backyard in case they Spanish lose their control. - I bet within 50 years the slave poulation of the so called United States will rise and form a socialists worker paradise - not that this wil be any better - history has proven that the empire - rule is the best possible
 
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