DBWI: Muslims Conquer Spain?

[DracoLazarus]

Maybe they could convert basically the majority of Iberians and surprisingly resistant to any attempt to convert them back to Christianity, especially if they have Centuries to stay there.

It depends how secure the Ebro valley is. Which, if there is a strong Frankia next door, it won't be.
You could see conversions in the Guadalquivir valley, though.

 

[Whiteshore]

Yes, I know that the Fir'auns (Arabicized Pharaohs) follow a rather separate Islamic teaching nowadays compared to either Persia or Arabia, but aside of using The Sun as symbol of Allah instead of the Crescent Moon, they are pretty much the same.

Besides, they even use Coptic (granted, they use the Arabic script) instead of Arabic as the vernacular with Arabic being spoken largely to keep the ruling elite's Islamic credentials strong.

OOC: I am thinking of this Egypt as being much like OTL Iran (albeit with a large non-Muslim minority) in that while Muslim, they retained most of their pre-Islamic language and culture.

 

[Dolan]

Besides, they even use Coptic (granted, they use the Arabic script) instead of Arabic as the vernacular with Arabic being spoken largely to keep the ruling elite's Islamic credentials strong.

OOC: I am thinking of this Egypt as being much like OTL Iran (albeit with a large non-Muslim minority) in that while Muslim, they retained most of their pre-Islamic language and culture.

The Historians' consensus nowadays is Egypt drifted from the rest of the Islamic nations because they were besieged in all directions by Christian nations.

Tangier and later Cyrenaica to their West, Ethiopian Empire to the South, and Roman Empire to the North and East because of The Gaza Forteess in Sinai Region being the most heavily militarized Roman Province as they split the Muslim nations. And thus Egypt often only have contact with Arabia proper via crossing the Red Sea.

Maybe the Roman Empire is indeed too strong for Islam to penetrate upon, but in case of successful Western expansion, Islam could spread by conquering Ethiopia instead.

 

[jackson3]

Another thing that might change is that there would probably be a much later if any Jewish Aaliyah to the Holy Lands. When the Rhomanoi reconquered the region they spent decades reinforcing the border against the Muslim nations around it and to help man it they essentially threw the gates open and invited anyone who would swear allegiance to the Emperor and Empire and were willing to spend their lives defending against Arab incursions. It’s hilarious to read the documents where you can see they expected many Christians to answer (which to be fair they did) and suddenly received a veritable flood of Jewish families, it’s just very ironic that the very Empire who exiled them were the ones to bring them back.

 

[KingOnTheEdge]

Another thing that might change is that there would probably be a much later if any Jewish Aaliyah to the Holy Lands. When the Rhomanoi reconquered the region they spent decades reinforcing the border against the Muslim nations around it and to help man it they essentially threw the gates open and invited anyone who would swear allegiance to the Emperor and Empire and were willing to spend their lives defending against Arab incursions. It’s hilarious to read the documents where you can see they expected many Christians to answer (which to be fair they did) and suddenly received a veritable flood of Jewish families, it’s just very ironic that the very Empire who exiled them were the ones to bring them back.

I mean The ERE did still live in fear of the caliphate until about 1000 so it makes sense to let the jews return to their native land and instill loyalty

 

[ASUKIRIK]

Another thing that might change is that there would probably be a much later if any Jewish Aaliyah to the Holy Lands. When the Rhomanoi reconquered the region they spent decades reinforcing the border against the Muslim nations around it and to help man it they essentially threw the gates open and invited anyone who would swear allegiance to the Emperor and Empire and were willing to spend their lives defending against Arab incursions. It’s hilarious to read the documents where you can see they expected many Christians to answer (which to be fair they did) and suddenly received a veritable flood of Jewish families, it’s just very ironic that the very Empire who exiled them were the ones to bring them back.

But let's be fair, while people of Jewish descendants (and thus observing traditional Jewish Customs) made the Majority of the Holy Land, even to the year 2000 Anno Domini Census (around 73% checked Jewish as their race there), a slight majority of them also identify themselves as Christians, with the ones professing pre-Christ Torahism being limited to 27% of the total population in Holy Land, as opposed to 65% Christians, 5% Muslim, and 3% being other religions.

The Jewish Christians did observe the Kashrut, circumcise their sons, and generally indistinguishable with the ones keeping their pre-Christ Torahism, but they actually follow traditional Orthodox rites, just in Hebrew instead of Greek.

Yes, partial (cultural) tolerance existed there, but centuries of preference to fellow Christians does show its effect.

 

[InfernoMole]

International conflicts (and by proxy internal issues) would take on a more religious tint, potentially endangering the stability of the Christian churches in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. It's unlikely that the Christians of Meyrib would have fared well in this heated environment.