DBWI More Limited 9-11

OOC: So we've got 92 distinct national governments involved, including multiple world-class intelligence agencies, and every single one of them drops the ball on seeing this attack coming? How is this not the Queen Mother of all alien space bats? OTL Osama Bin Laden dropped his plans to hit twelve U.S. cities (IIRC) down to just two because he couldn't handle the logistics of planning ten extra attacks, let alone 97.

OOC: Exactly. This has come up in all the previous threads considering a bigger-than-OTL 9/11. Even if the attacks were only twice bigger than IOTL, they would have been well more then twice more likely to be found out beforehand. The attacks in the OP would have required hundreds if not thousands of people to be in the know about the plans and involved in setting up the attacks on some level. There is simply no way that someone, somewhere would not have found out what is happening and alerted a national law enforcement agency which would have put the warning out to other nations. This would have most likely taken place already when Bin Laden was just recruiting people for his much-bigger-than-OTL organization, it all would have never gone to the stage of actual mass attacks.
 
The operational and informational risks increase geometrically for something like this. There is one non-ASB option, but it's a hell of an option, and that is a massive sleeper cell network that knows 09/11/01 or a prearranged cue Years in advance. It would also make more sense for it to be a variety of attacks, including the subway attacks, Paris truck attacks, Mumbai truck bombs, maybe even a ship hijacking/sinking etc...
 
Russia has put the fear of Allah into Iran, they signed a peace treaty with Israel and allowed American troops to be stationed in their country.
 
OOC: Exactly. This has come up in all the previous threads considering a bigger-than-OTL 9/11. Even if the attacks were only twice bigger than IOTL, they would have been well more then twice more likely to be found out beforehand. The attacks in the OP would have required hundreds if not thousands of people to be in the know about the plans and involved in setting up the attacks on some level. There is simply no way that someone, somewhere would not have found out what is happening and alerted a national law enforcement agency which would have put the warning out to other nations. This would have most likely taken place already when Bin Laden was just recruiting people for his much-bigger-than-OTL organization, it all would have never gone to the stage of actual mass attacks.

OCC Long periods of peace, and lackidasical security do happen, as well as people thinking that no one would be stupid enough to do some thing OCC

Ok looked over the laws, and Islam is not banned in the European union, the burka is, and hate speech in several countries but Islam itself as a religion is still practiced in the EU. Im looking for evidence for Genocides in Russia and China and Im not finding any news articals.
 
OCC Long periods of peace, and lackidasical security do happen.

OOC: I could mayyyybe see it after several centuries of peace, where "war" becomes as foreign a concept as stone tools, but the people in power in 2001 all had first-hand memories of - if not the Second World War - the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, and other terrors of the Cold War. It shaped their world views on a fundamental level, and a single decade of peace isn't going to change them. And "lackadaisical" is quite possibly one of the biggest understatements that I have ever seen in my life. Humanity would have to invent a whole new word to describe the sheer, jawdropping incompetence of hundreds of thousands of intelligence agents. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there'd be worldwide riots and revolts as the public comes to realise the complete and utter inability of their current governments to protect them.

This isn't a bad topic for a thread, but I still maintain that it belongs in the ASB forum.
 
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I could mayyyybe see it after several centuries of peace, where "war" becomes as foreign a concept as stone tools, but the people in power in 2001 all had first-hand memories of - if not the Second World War - the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, and other terrors of the Cold War. It shaped their world views on a fundamental level, and a single decade of peace isn't going to change them. And "lackadaisical" is quite possibly one of the biggest understatements that I have ever seen in my life. Humanity would have to invent a whole new word to describe the sheer, jawdropping incompetence of hundreds of thousands of intelligence agents. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there'd be worldwide riots and revolts as the public comes to realise the complete and utter inability of their current governments to protect them.

This isn't a bad topic for a thread, but I still maintain that it belongs in the ASB forum.

For one we wouldn't have the widespread coups and civil wars in developed countries thanks to the power vacuum the event caused.
 
OOC: Exactly. This has come up in all the previous threads considering a bigger-than-OTL 9/11. Even if the attacks were only twice bigger than IOTL, they would have been well more then twice more likely to be found out beforehand. The attacks in the OP would have required hundreds if not thousands of people to be in the know about the plans and involved in setting up the attacks on some level. There is simply no way that someone, somewhere would not have found out what is happening and alerted a national law enforcement agency which would have put the warning out to other nations. This would have most likely taken place already when Bin Laden was just recruiting people for his much-bigger-than-OTL organization, it all would have never gone to the stage of actual mass attacks.

Exactly. This sort of massive worldwide attack, with even Mongolia targeted, could easily be the sort of event that would convince people that 9/11 was mounted by a conspiracy. How could such a huge and dispersed worldwide attack possibly occur without the active collaboration of at least one major state?
 
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