DBWI: Moderate Reconstruction?

so here's a question what if rather than Radical Republican position on Reconstruction more moderate positions had been taken, if President Lincoln had lived if Vice-President Johnson had lived, if President Stanton hadn't been elected in November 1865? whatever POD you want to use, what would America look like if plantation land hadn't been redistributed to freemen? could CSA government members and officers made a come back in political life with-out the bans?
 
Well, I suspect we'd see a hell of a lot of less of Rebel "Lost Causers" and Confederate Sympathizer anymore that seem to teem within the 'Lines*. Plus, there probably wouldn't have been as many White Riots in the post-war period. However, with the former slave masters in power, who knows what would have happened to the freed negros...

*ITTL Slang for Internet
 
who knows what would have happened to the freed negros...

I imagine with out land/farms southern blacks would largely very poor for many many years, also I doubt that if Lincoln's "welcome them back with open arms" had been fallowed we wouldn't see all those black faces in the House and Senate in the post war years, maybe longer time till we have a black president?
 
Perhaps the French aren't able to forestall America's entry into the (First) Great War by encouraging and arming a rebellion in the southern states? Even though the Second Empire ultimately lost that war, it was just enough to save their Mexican ally.

An America that had moved towards reconciliation with the south wouldn't have had that problem. They wouldn't have spent a generation looking inwards and thus would have been able to keep the frogs from creating a puppet right on their border. Imagine the Mexican Empire as an American ally/puppet rather than a French one...
 
so here's a question what if rather than Radical Republican position on Reconstruction more moderate positions had been taken, if President Lincoln had lived if Vice-President Johnson had lived, if President Stanton hadn't been elected in November 1865? whatever POD you want to use, what would America look like if plantation land hadn't been redistributed to freemen? could CSA government members and officers made a come back in political life with-out the bans?


Regardless of how Moderate the Lincoln or Johnson Administrations would have been, I don't believe they would have been so stupid to allow traitors to serve in ANY capacity in the Government.

Much of the Civil Rights Acts would have been retarded at least a few generations, by virtue of no President being willing to risk pissing of the South in later generations. The 14th Amendment wasn't really harshly put to use till the 20's in my opinion.

I also suspect that the Republicans wouldn't have lasted as long as they did in the Presidency if the South was back in. The Democratic Party might have still been around and not the 4 or 5 minor parties for a few decades before they united into the Constitutionalists.


Perhaps the French aren't able to forestall America's entry into the (First) Great War by encouraging and arming a rebellion in the southern states? Even though the Second Empire ultimately lost that war, it was just enough to save their Mexican ally.

An America that had moved towards reconciliation with the south wouldn't have had that problem. They wouldn't have spent a generation looking inwards and thus would have been able to keep the frogs from creating a puppet right on their border. Imagine the Mexican Empire as an American ally/puppet rather than a French one...

The "Empire" of Mexico wasn't ever really a threat to the US (there are only so many Confederate Jr. die-hards willing to throw away their lives and families in a guerrilla war for a grudge older than them). Hell we had better relations with them than did them after the First Great War than with the South for almost 30 years!
 
Perhaps the French aren't able to forestall America's entry into the (First) Great War by encouraging and arming a rebellion in the southern states? Even though the Second Empire ultimately lost that war, it was just enough to save their Mexican ally.

An America that had moved towards reconciliation with the south wouldn't have had that problem. They wouldn't have spent a generation looking inwards and thus would have been able to keep the frogs from creating a puppet right on their border. Imagine the Mexican Empire as an American ally/puppet rather than a French one...

I doubt that Mexico could ever really be a US ally. After all, the entirety of the American southwest was carved out of the Mexican frontier. A less hostile Mexico could be in the cards, but a full on American ally? Most unlikely. Mexico as an American puppet however seems much more likely in the scenario.
 
I doubt that Mexico could ever really be a US ally. After all, the entirety of the American southwest was carved out of the Mexican frontier. A less hostile Mexico could be in the cards, but a full on American ally? Most unlikely. Mexico as an American puppet however seems much more likely.

would a more friendly or puppet Mexico lead to Baja, Chihuahua, and Sonora still being Mexican states rather than American ones? also the 50 years as a French puppet state and still close relations with France really effected Mexican Spanish, if Mexico didn't have such a relationship maybe fewer French loan words?
 
would a more friendly or puppet Mexico lead to Baja, Chihuahua, and Sonora still being Mexican states rather than American ones? also the 50 years as a French puppet state and still close relations with France really effected Mexican Spanish, if Mexico didn't have such a relationship maybe fewer French loan words?

That entirly depends on the Great War - the moment the Mexicans declared war on the USA, they were going to lose the war and lose territory in the treaty. They keep the peace, they keep the land.

Where might this leave American-Laurentian relations though? President Stanton was the one who negotiated the settlement between the US, Britain and what was then British North America over alledged war damages concerning the British supporting the South - thanks to cunning negotiation from him and SOS Seward, we got Columbia and the Yukon and guarantees against supporting Slaver remnants, the Brits got a few million dollars and a guarantee not to interfere in what was left of British North America, soon to be Laurentia - that was the start of the warm relations between the three nations that have covered the last century and a half. Given a different President, could things have gone differently or even gone sour?
 
Given how dedicated these people were to holding negroes down, I predict that that would lead to greater poverty amongst Africanic Americans which in turn would lead to that specific subgroup composing a disproportionate percentage of America's criminals, which in turn would lead to more racism against negroes...it's a vicious cycle.

I just sucked the fun out of this thread, didn't I? :D Thread killer!
 
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